Hello,
I think that it is not necessary or good to wait to a later skype
conference to discuss the problem. By the way, I personally am not a
huge fan of skype conferences with more than say 4 persons, I find it
difficult to follow.
Fine that Diederik started the discussion here.
According to me, the presence of Mayo Fuster Morell is not a problem.
If necessary we can still "exclude" her by individual mails. But in
general I find her input useful.
Kind regards
Ziko
2011/12/12 Diederik van Liere <dvanliere(a)gmail.com>om>:
Dear WSC,
I think we need to be very precise about what the Berkman controversy is
about. My understanding is that the use of banners with logo's on central
notice during the fundraiser and the kickback of donations is at the heart
of the controversy. It is not about the legitimacy of the research
institutes, nor is it about surveys as a research methodology, or the actual
research questions. As such, I think that we need to discus how to to
promote research studies but not debate the merits of Wikipedia research
itself.
Best
Diederik
Sent from use my iPhone
On 2011-12-12, at 13:30, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm comfortable with a meeting next week, but I think that the community and
our research partners will want to hear something in the meantime. There
would also be a benefit if we could hold some on wiki discussions as to the
Omnibus survey or any other option.
Clearly one of our options would be to run an RFC to seek consent of the EN
wiki community for us to resume Berkman and run similar things in the
future. But even if we promised some sort of vanilla advert for it I doubt
we would get consensus or anything close.
We could probably get consensus for an opt in research system so that those
who wanted to could subscribe to some sort of research mailing list of
questionnaires. But I don't think that opt in would give us the volume that
researchers are likely to want and I fear we'd have skews.
If anyone can think of an alternative option I would suggest creating a
draft such as I have at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey so that we and the
community can consider it.
Another way to defuse current tension would be for Rcomm to invite a couple
of the people who have been arguing against the Berkman survey to join us in
our meeting next week.
Regards
WSC
On 12 December 2011 17:52, Dario Taraborelli <dtaraborelli(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi WSC,
thanks for starting this, I agree we need to have a serious assessment of
what happened with the Berkman incident and discuss alternative options (if
any) for the future.
I suggest that we hold an extraordinary RCom meeting some time next week
to discuss these measures since we have other SR requests on hold.
If nobody objects I am going to start a doodle to find a date that suits
most of us (cc:ing Dana). It'd be great if those among you heavily invested
in SR discussions/reviews could make it.
Dario
On Dec 12, 2011, at 6:50 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Dear All,
After the rather hostile response on the English language wikipedia to the
Berkman survey I would like to revive my proposal from five months ago for
an annual Omnibus survey.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey
I appreciate that this would put some constraints on the researchers and
would actually cost the Foundation a bit of money. But unless someone else
can come up with an alternative way of fairly throttling research surveys to
the point where the community can accept them, I would suggest that this is
the only viable option on the table other than a simple blanket ban on
third party research surveys.
Regards
WereSpielChequers
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