Peter, Yes, I do not think the road ahead for him is simple. I´ve done just as you suggested in pointing him in two directions:
1. the paths forward described in the e-mail he received. It will be instructive to us all to see that helping such "babes in the woods" is non-trivial. I know from conversations with Ellen Finnie at MIT who has been working with a nobelist there who wants his papers open and how difficult it has proven to be. 2. paths within his university. He included in his e-mail to me a cc. to an OA friend of his in his lab [but I edited it out in what I forward to all of you since it was unnecessary to sharing my delight with you all] and I know he will put Bill in touch with Carrie Nelson who is their director of scholarly communication.
But importantly I think projects like the Italian Wikipedians are doing and the work all the others are doing are contributing to such schemes are bringing about a cultural shift where scholarship is "expected to be open". That shift is vital to any publisher who values their brand among any of the generations of scientists and scholars. I think there may be some participants in the landscape who have the clout and the resources to simply take on the risk of being sued by those who want to keep benefiting from monopoly control (and pricing) for access.
My brother hitting barriers (rather than you or I helping him) will mean that he´ll have personal energy to speak to these difficulties when he attends meetings (as he does each year) of the National Academy of sciences.
-john
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On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Peter Suber peter.suber@gmail.com wrote:
Hi John,
It's great that your brother wants to make all his past work OA. Unfortunately it's non-trivial. (I'm not saying you thought it was.) It's far easier to make new work OA than past work, since with new work you have a chance to pick an OA-friendly publisher or retain needed rights. With past work, the author has already transferred rights to publishers, usually different packages of rights to different publishers.
If your brother is still at the U of Wisconsin, I'd urge him to get personal assistance from those in the library (or the Office for Scholarly Communication, if UW has one). Many university libraries offer this kind of personal assistance.
Of course I share your preference to do this systematically for all literature, rather than to do it just for isolated individuals. But if I understand you, you still want to help your brother as an individual. I love dissem.in, but I don't think that pointing him to it will solve his problem. Nor will pointing him to my own page on how to make your own work OA (http://bit.ly/how-oa).
Certain tools can help find OA-ready copies of his past work but none is likely to succeed across the board, which is why personal assistance is necessary. If he doesn't want to give up on any of his past publications, at some point he (or someone acting for him) will have to seek permission from the current rightsholders, which is laborious. For the same reason he (or his helper) may have to look for a version other than the published version of record (VOR), such as the accepted author manuscript (AAM), which is also difficult.
We can flip this around: The very difficulty of doing this job retroactively is the best reason to do it prospectively and for everyone, systematically, starting ASAP. Meantime, there is still an awful lot of retroactive liberation to do. Even the best prospective OA program will not solve that problem, but merely prevent it from growing larger.
PeterOn Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:16 PM, John G. Dove johngdove@gmail.com wrote:
Federico, et. al.,
I'm am 'over the moon' getting this e-mail from my brother today.I've used my brother as an example of a scholar who has always done science as a contribution to society and would want to share his works if he knew that he needed to and knew how. He serves on the National Academy of Sciences as well as the Royal Academy of Sciences in Belgium. He's been publishing in scholarly journals since the early 60s and he's still an active researcher at 80 years old.
I've envisioned his getting an e-mail like this ever since waking up from a dream on 24 May, 2015 after having read Peter Suber's book on Open Access. In the dream it struck me that there's a point in time when a publisher (in this case Wikipedia) has an interest for their readers to have an excellent reading experience (and isn't this the mission of any publisher???) and an interest in reaching authors who are experts in the fields in which they publish. And that authors of have an interest in having an impact on the audiences that the publisher is reaching.
Peter, do you remember when I told you about some of my brother'spaper still being cited that were published before the NIH mandates were in place? I told you that he considers them to be shared because they all are on his department's website. You told me that I should tell my brother to submit them to the UWisconsin I.R. And I said, "I'm not interested in solving my brother's specific open access problem. I want to see a systematic way of reaching my brother and all the other scholars so that they are motivated to do share appropriately." My brother is currently having to type with one hand and write with his previously non-dominant hand. But you notice in his message to me that he's truly motivated to now put all of this papers under a creative commons license.
I think I'll only suggest that he click on the dissem.in link.Someone like him should be able to take that path and be successful. I'll watch and report back.
-John Dove
PS: I'm at the Conference of Open Access Scholarly Publishers meeting starting tomorrow. You all have given me a wonderful boost. I'm going to be socializing the idea that other publishers could follow Wikipedia's lead on this. I've come prepared with reference lists from several gold open access publishers including PLoS, MDPI, and Hindawi.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Dove dove@oncology.wisc.edu Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM Subject: Fw: Open Access via Wikipedia To: John Dove johngdove@gmail.com, Cc: William Dove dove@oncology.wisc.edu
hi john,
i am "babe in the woods" on this. please advise what is best for me to do to make each of my publications (*) available under Creative Commons.
onward,
bill (dove)
*From:* Federico Leva - WMI info@wikimedia.it *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 1:08 PM *To:* William Dove *Subject:* I found your work on Wikipedia but it could be more accessible
Dear William Dove,
as a volunteer Wikipedia editor, I found your *RETROSPECTIVE James F. Crow (1916-2012)* http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8FVAEAVlRWUxkCVFUAHgVaAwAZBQBUVxRRBwNWBQFWVwxXUANPUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg (doi:10.1126/science.1219557) cited in an English Wikipedia article http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB9SUFdfAgIEVhkCC1QDHgVWAAwZXVUPAxQEUgdQUlUGWgwHV1JPUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg .
However, I did not easily find a copy that I could access and share. On the Dissemin page about your work http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8FVAEAVlRWUxkCVFUAHgVaAwAZBQBUVxRRBwNWBQFWVwxXUANPUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg I found that your publisher's policies allow you to make it available for everyone now (green open access). With a couple clicks on Dissemin you can now deposit your manuscript in Zenodo (hosted by CERN): as an author, you just have to click the upload button and select the relevant PDF from your disk. Dissemin takes care of all the metadata for you.
I need an open access copy to be able to discuss it with fellow editors and make sure the Wikipedia article provides an accurate and neutral overview under a free license for everybody to use. We also want every user who reads Wikipedia to be able to verify its content by consulting its primary sources. (See the Wikipedia pillars http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8MVwYHCgNXUhkFU1VQHgVbBw4ZBgcEAxQCAFYHAFRcAg1aDFFPUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg .)
On Dissemin you can also click your name from the work's page or search your name http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8AAgQCA1IFBxlRVwYGHgVSA1oZBgYCVBQBAlcGAAAHAgBSBl9PUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg to find all your known works which are already available or could be made available. Dissemin will ask you to login via ORCID: you may already have an ORCID account from your institution, but if not you can easily signup and create your unique author identity.
When asked to choose a copyright license for your work, please consider that "libre" Open Access is especially helpful to grow free knowledge resources like Wikipedia: at Wikimedia we prefer the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (CC BY-SA) license, or the CC BY.
If you have already deposited your works elsewhere, please contact your librarians or the administrators of your repository so that they can investigate why BASE/oaDOI fail to direct users to your archived version. They may also be able to help you archive your works if you are not able to do it yourself.
Finally, for more information on Open Access, we recommend the SPARC Open Access website and Peter Suber's how-to at Harvard http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8HB1RUBVQGVRkAAAECHgUHWloZBQFTABQEUFBWBlZTUgRXDV5PUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg .
If you found Dissem.in http://phplist.wikimedia.it/lists/lt.php?tid=LB8MWlZfUlIDUhkKBA5THgVaWwAZXFICUxQKBQAGVAYHWwECBQBPUVNTUFdUVFIeAVBWWxlQUQUDFApTAAROVQZaBFJUBwoABgYBTgQFUlFSAVoBGQFRBFUUBwYHAk4JUgVQTgVVB1FWXVAEVwdSUg useful, please forward to all your co-authors and colleagues.
Kind regards,
Federico Leva (Wikimedia Italia association member)
P.s.: This message is sent to your address as relevant feedback about the publication which provided it. Dissemin is run by the independent CAPSH association in France.
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