On video, 2 quick notes: I've filed a bug, mostly just to collate the discussion so far (or in case of random volunteers! If this is simple enough to be a GSOC/etc task (I don't know), please add any helpful notes to that bug :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73438
and that it's being discussed afresh (mostly just a reiteration of the previous comments) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Less_in...
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:58 AM, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 6 November 2014 01:05, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/5/14, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 4 November 2014 23:12, quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
I think the ideas in the onwiki thread were more along the lines of:
- Putting a control-bar along the bottom of the thumbnail, with video
controls, like the audio files have. e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:My_Bloody_Valentine_-_Last_Supper.ogg
No. Adding yet more gunk to the page is a really terrible idea,
violating
the fundamental principles of only showing more stuff on the page when strictly needed. Good point though, the bad display does need to be
fixed
for audio files.
There's already a control bar on some video files if you hover your mouse over them (It depends which code path is triggered. It happens on videos with big enough thumbnails that they aren't opened in a new window. This is true for most image pages).
I'm unclear on what specifically you are objecting to on audio files. Are you not liking the "Menu" button?
No, the menu button is fine; indeed, it's pretty much everything else that's wrong with it. :-)
Each audio file transclusion has in its "rest" non-hover state the entire set of playback controls, which isn't what we do for videos (even, as you say, the ones where the preview is "big enough", where we only show these controls on hover).
Per https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_audio_file_transclusion_%E... which I just took, the interface:
- shows a time offset from the start, which provides no value before
it starts playing;
- shows a "CC" button for closed captions which shows in the exact
same state even when there aren't any;
- shows a compound volume/mute button which adds more complexity; and
yet
- doesn't tell you (except implicitly by not showing a picture) that
it's an audio.
See *e.g.* the BBC for how audio excerpts can be shown with a simple audio play icon to activate the toolbar and everything else instead, with must less visual noise and clutter (most viewers of the article aren't here to listen to the audio/video files, *etc.*):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30016007
J.
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