Hi Nick, Thanks for the update about this video player icon issue. Sadly, our multimedia team is still spread very thin, and we've had to push back any audio or video work to next fiscal year, with a very heavy heart. :( That said, this seems like a relatively easy fix to make, so perhaps we could look at it first when we start looking at video again next year. All the best, Fabrice _______________________________ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote: I think the ideas in the onwiki thread were more along the lines of: * Putting a control-bar along the bottom of the thumbnail, with video controls, like the audio files have. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:My_Bloody_Valentine_-_Last_Supper.ogg

and/or * Place the play-button-overlay somewhere other than the middle-center. Perhaps bottom-center. Or bottom-left with a timeslider, like vimeo uses. https://vimeo.com/104966526

On 4 November 2014 23:12, quiddity <pandiculation(a)gmail.com> wrote: No. ​Adding​ yet more gunk to the page is a really terrible idea, violating the fundamental principles of only showing more stuff on the page when strictly needed. Good point though, the bad display does need to be fixed for audio files.

On 6 November 2014 01:05, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote: No, the menu button is fine; indeed, it's pretty much everything else that's wrong with it. :-) Each audio file transclusion has in its "rest" non-hover state the entire set of playback controls, which isn't what we do for videos (even, as you say, the ones where the preview is "big enough", where we only show these controls on hover). Per https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_audio_file_transclusion_%… which I just took, the interface: - shows a time offset from the start, which provides no value before it starts playing; - shows a "CC" button for closed captions which shows in the exact same state even when there aren't any; - shows a compound volume/mute button which adds more complexity; and yet - doesn't tell you (except implicitly by not showing a picture) that it's an audio. See *e.g.* the BBC for how audio excerpts can be shown with a simple audio play icon to activate the toolbar and everything else instead, with must less visual noise and clutter (most viewers of the article aren't here to listen to the audio/video files, *etc.*): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30016007 J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, Editing Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforrester(a)wikimedia.org | @jdforrester _______________________________________________ Multimedia mailing list Multimedia(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/multimedia