Thanks for your efforts with improved GLAM documentation. It's always a high need. I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond sooner. I was traveling for a presentation.
I absolutely agree with the premise, but I'm extremely disheartened by the direction that the conversation has gone on-wiki. It's rare that I get a Wikipedia-related pit in my stomach nowadays. But I guess no one's ever immune.
My thoughts can be found on-wiki.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Dorothy Howard dhoward@metro.org wrote:
Hi GLAM-Wikiers,
There is a conversation going on at Wikipedia talk:GLAM#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GLAM#GLAM-Wiki_Section_in_Manual_of_Style.3FGLAM-Wiki Section in Manual of Style?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GLAM#GLAM-Wiki_Section_in_Manual_of_Style.3F, about creating a GLAM-Wiki section or page of the Manual of Style that could use your input.
I drafted some reasons why I think it would be helpful to have a GLAM-Wiki Manual of Style subpage, which I've posted on the talk page mentioned above, and I'll copy them below.
Post to the talk page or reply to this email to discuss further.
- The GLAM-Wiki movement is rapidly growing and more GLAM
professionals are searching for resources to help guide them in adopting editing policies everyday. 2. There are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources dispersed throughout Wikipedia, with similar, overlapping content. By synchronizing these resources, and providing cite-able sections in the manual of style, there could be more understanding and common language within the GLAM community. 3. Though there are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources, new Wikipedians-in-Residence often still feel the need to generate more guides because there is no definitive version. 4. The Manual of Style already includes information and templates that speak to the GLAM-community, but it would be helpful for GLAM editors and Wikipedians-in-Residence if they were aggregated together. The closest things we have now are: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collectionshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Visual_arts#Museums_and_collections, red links in outreach:GLAM/Model projectshttps://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Model_projects, and a whole lot of different learning resources in the GLAM Bookshelfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Bookshelf, as well as some resources floating on user pages, GLAM pages, etc. 5. GLAMs have a lot of documents and artifacts, such as museum collections, catalogs, finding aids, and archival materials, that can be difficult to put into the current templates provided, and questions about these materials are extremely common among GLAM professional Wikipedians, especially in the early days of their involvement with GLAM-Wiki. 6. It would be helpful for private, non-GLAM editors to have a GLAM manual of style so that they could help monitor and regulate GLAM editing and watch out for COI issues.
I would love to hear more opinions on this proposal! I just got a draft of a GLAM MOS subpagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OR_drohowa/sandbox/MOSdraftstarted as well and I'm seeking help and collaborations.
Thanks, Dorothy
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Lori,
I want to clarify- we have just begun discussing the help resources on the GLAM main page and we were not about to delete any of these resources, which I think we would all agree are very helpful. Having worked on guides myself, I know how much time and discussion it takes to get these kinds of pages up. I understand that because the GLAM page is used and consulted by so many people any major changes to it would have to be discussed by a lot of people before they were made. I apologize if my previous comments were too bold about deleting some of the GLAM resources I suppose I had said that because I noticed that there were 2 separate intro to editing tabs and thought it might be easier if they were consolidated.
I started this section so we could open the discussion up about GLAM related learning resources and figure out where the gaps are. I know in my work in a consortium, I'm constantly having to answer questions about 'norms' in GLAM editing, and I was looking to start including some more of the specific problems that GLAMs face, like making 'collections' lists or sections on their institution pages, and writing articles on exhibitions, particular COI issues for GLAMs in our learning resources.
If you are interested in the prospect of a GLAM:MOS I'd love to know the best format you think would be to get a draft going. I've started one, as I said, but I definitely think that there needs to be a lot of GLAM wiki professionals in order for a GLAM MOS to be created.
Cheers, Dorothy
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Lori Phillips <lori.byrd.phillips@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for your efforts with improved GLAM documentation. It's always a high need. I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond sooner. I was traveling for a presentation.
I absolutely agree with the premise, but I'm extremely disheartened by the direction that the conversation has gone on-wiki. It's rare that I get a Wikipedia-related pit in my stomach nowadays. But I guess no one's ever immune.
My thoughts can be found on-wiki.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Dorothy Howard dhoward@metro.org wrote:
Hi GLAM-Wikiers,
There is a conversation going on at Wikipedia talk:GLAM#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GLAM#GLAM-Wiki_Section_in_Manual_of_Style.3FGLAM-Wiki Section in Manual of Style?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GLAM#GLAM-Wiki_Section_in_Manual_of_Style.3F, about creating a GLAM-Wiki section or page of the Manual of Style that could use your input.
I drafted some reasons why I think it would be helpful to have a GLAM-Wiki Manual of Style subpage, which I've posted on the talk page mentioned above, and I'll copy them below.
Post to the talk page or reply to this email to discuss further.
- The GLAM-Wiki movement is rapidly growing and more GLAM
professionals are searching for resources to help guide them in adopting editing policies everyday. 2. There are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources dispersed throughout Wikipedia, with similar, overlapping content. By synchronizing these resources, and providing cite-able sections in the manual of style, there could be more understanding and common language within the GLAM community. 3. Though there are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources, new Wikipedians-in-Residence often still feel the need to generate more guides because there is no definitive version. 4. The Manual of Style already includes information and templates that speak to the GLAM-community, but it would be helpful for GLAM editors and Wikipedians-in-Residence if they were aggregated together. The closest things we have now are: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collectionshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Visual_arts#Museums_and_collections, red links in outreach:GLAM/Model projectshttps://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Model_projects, and a whole lot of different learning resources in the GLAM Bookshelfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Bookshelf, as well as some resources floating on user pages, GLAM pages, etc. 5. GLAMs have a lot of documents and artifacts, such as museum collections, catalogs, finding aids, and archival materials, that can be difficult to put into the current templates provided, and questions about these materials are extremely common among GLAM professional Wikipedians, especially in the early days of their involvement with GLAM-Wiki. 6. It would be helpful for private, non-GLAM editors to have a GLAM manual of style so that they could help monitor and regulate GLAM editing and watch out for COI issues.
I would love to hear more opinions on this proposal! I just got a draft of a GLAM MOS subpagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OR_drohowa/sandbox/MOSdraftstarted as well and I'm seeking help and collaborations.
Thanks, Dorothy
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