Just wondering here but...if there is simply a desire to consolidate, then why not consolidate to meta and elinate wikitech. Its also not a perfect solution but as someone brought up before, a lot more people are familiar with meta than wikitech. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
------ Original message------From: Marcel Ruiz FornsDate: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 4:27 PMTo: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics.;Subject:Re: [Analytics] Canonical location for metrics documentation We could, in this case, create an Analytics' metric documentation page in Wikitech, that comprehends all metrics that we Analytics are aware of and consider part of our pipeline. Some of them would be described in Wikitech itself, and some others would point Research's page in Meta or any other older sources. But in any case, a user that landed in Wikitech's metrics page would be able to browse all metric information. And we'd have a single source of information from the Analytics' point of view.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Aaron Halfaker ahalfaker@wikimedia.org wrote: *"We need to write a bot to fix broken links."
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Aaron Halfaker ahalfaker@wikimedia.org wrote: Drawbacks: People who maintain and use those metric pages don't want you to move them for a myriad of reasons. Many of us are confident that Meta is the Right(TM) place for themMeta has become the place where we document studies. Our core metrics should be accompanied by a study of their meaning and the robustness of their parameters.Meta is where the research community of Wikimedia stuff generally hangs out.It would cause disruption in our work to remove the metrics pages. We'd need to write a bit to fix the broken links. What are the benefits of temporarily moving all of this content to Wikitech? You might end up moving it back after all. Is it easier to edit the documentation on Wikitech than it is on Meta in some way?
-Aaron
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote: Strongly oppose moving the Research namespace hosted metrics documentation off Meta. It's s'posed to be broadly accessible. Wikitech is on few peoples' radar. Mediawiki.org is for software documentation. Meta is the central wiki for the movement (however imperfect). - J On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Aaron Halfaker ahalfaker@wikimedia.org wrote: I propose we move everything to wikitech now I don't think that is feasible or reasonable for the documentation that is currently on Meta.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote: We have a documentation cleanup day coming up soon, and we've just got delete permissions so we can actually clean. We've been moving everything Analytics-infrastructure related to wikitech and that's where we'd prefer to see everything. The nuanced purpose of each wiki is great, but before we can get to that, we have to establish a trusted, complete, and discoverable source of documentation. Then we can start catering to the audiences of each wiki. I propose we move everything to wikitech now, and establish a single page on meta and mediawiki that point to the different main pages on wikitech. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:14 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote: Neil P. Quinn, 14/10/2015 02:30: We currently have metrics documentation in two different places
What sort of documentation do you have in mind? Meta has the definitions which WMF hopes to see used in other fields as well, while MediaWiki.org and wikitech have technical documentation about stats.wikimedia.org and other stuff produced by Analytics.
Nemo
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As far as the analytics engineering / infrastructure stuff is concerned, I'd like to finish consolidating on wikitech first. When that's all clean and beautiful we can move everything all at once to meta. I'm not against that at all if people ask for it.
We are talking about two different types of documentation:
* Infrastructure Docs Just like the rest of WMF infrastructure the lawful place for this is wikitech. It is documentation technical in nature of interest to engineers working at the WMF mostly. It makes sense most people do not know about it, you wouldn't unless you have worked for WMF or committed code in a volunteer capacity.
*Metrics definitions Our metrics are not different from research's metrics, we execute on metrics researchers have defined. If research wants to keeps those in meta I think it should not be a problem.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
As far as the analytics engineering / infrastructure stuff is concerned, I'd like to finish consolidating on wikitech first. When that's all clean and beautiful we can move everything all at once to meta. I'm not against that at all if people ask for it.
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