The pageviews statistics for the Italian Wikisource are very confusing to me: https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/it.wikisource.org/reading/total-page-views/normal|line|2-year|agent~user*spider*automated|monthly
In May there were supposedly more than 5 million pageviews, of which 3M desktop + 2M mobile and 3M "user" + 2M "spider". Do the "spider" pageviews include both the desktop and mobile URLs?
Federico
That's correct.
What makes it confusing? How would you make it more understandable?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:23 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
The pageviews statistics for the Italian Wikisource are very confusing to me: < https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/it.wikisource.org/reading/total-page-views/nor...
In May there were supposedly more than 5 million pageviews, of which 3M desktop + 2M mobile and 3M "user" + 2M "spider". Do the "spider" pageviews include both the desktop and mobile URLs?
Federico
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Nemo would this, our next-up priority for Wikistats https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249758, help? Basically, it would let you filter on two different dimensions, so you can look at just user desktop or spider mobile, etc.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:41 AM Francisco Dans fdans@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's correct.
What makes it confusing? How would you make it more understandable?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:23 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
The pageviews statistics for the Italian Wikisource are very confusing to me: < https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/it.wikisource.org/reading/total-page-views/nor...
In May there were supposedly more than 5 million pageviews, of which 3M desktop + 2M mobile and 3M "user" + 2M "spider". Do the "spider" pageviews include both the desktop and mobile URLs?
Federico
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Dan Andreescu, 15/06/20 16:37:
Nemo would this, our next-up priority for Wikistats https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249758, help? Basically, it would let you filter on two different dimensions, so you can look at just user desktop or spider mobile, etc.
Maybe. I don't have a pressing need for this breakdown, I'm just trying to make sure I understand.
More "interesting" might be the question of what should the default be on the main page https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/it.wikisource.org but that's more a "political" decision or a matter of tradition. I don't consider the current choice particularly misleading because it takes only two clicks to find out that the totals include various kinds of pageviews.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:41 AM Francisco Dans wrote:
That's correct.
Alright. I just naively assumed that most bots would be classified as "desktop", given there's practically never a good reason to crawl the mobile domain, so I was surprised by the numbers. Either there's a lot of "bot" activity on the mobile domain, or there's very little "user" activity on desktop.
Already with the breakdown available, one can tell that it's better to be very careful about using such pageviews numbers about this project. I'm probably going to only mention unique devices in public, or the order of magnitude of the pageviews without further specifications.
Federico
Alright. I just naively assumed that most bots would be classified as "desktop", given there's practically never a good reason to crawl the mobile domain, so I was surprised by the numbers. Either there's a lot of "bot" activity on the mobile domain, or there's very little "user" activity on desktop.
You can always go directly to the API. The addresses are slightly human friendly but you can always log XHR in your browser console and copy them. Here are some examples for the last month of data:
mobile web automated: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/metrics/pageviews/aggregate/it.wikisource.... desktop user: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/metrics/pageviews/aggregate/it.wikisource....
By the UX improvements I mentioned above, we'd surface this ability in the UI