Dear fellow Analytics Developer team members,
over the past few weeks, it seems we at least twice discussed that maybe we want to adopt “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen”. It appeared to me that both times, we actually wanted to move forward with that ... but it never got posted to the mailing list :-D
So I'm being bold:
Either slap me with a large trout by 2014-02-28 or agree with me that the Analytics development team adopts “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
(With “list” being analytics@lists.wikimedia.org for public things, and “list” being analytics-internal@lists.wikimedia.org for not so public things.)
To state the obvious: meetings in real life, hangouts, or personal email do not qualify as “list” :-)
Have fun, Christian
/me hands a large trout to all of you to slap me with and ducks.
A large trout - that's very cool :-) Look forward to great discussions on the analytics list.
Best, Alolita
Alolita Sharma आलोलिता शर्मा Director of Engineering Internationalization / Localization Wikimedia Foundation
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Christian Aistleitner < christian@quelltextlich.at> wrote:
Dear fellow Analytics Developer team members,
over the past few weeks, it seems we at least twice discussed that maybe we want to adopt “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen”. It appeared to me that both times, we actually wanted to move forward with that ... but it never got posted to the mailing list :-D
So I'm being bold:
Either slap me with a large trout by 2014-02-28 or agree with me that the Analytics development team adopts “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
(With “list” being analytics@lists.wikimedia.org for public things, and “list” being analytics-internal@lists.wikimedia.org for not so public things.)
To state the obvious: meetings in real life, hangouts, or personal email do not qualify as “list” :-)
Have fun, Christian
/me hands a large trout to all of you to slap me with and ducks.
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Christian,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Minnow
I don't know what type of things you are referring to. Should we manage tasks on this list or can they stay in mingle/trello?
In general, I'm a fan of pushing in-office discussions to the list since we're such a highly distributed (read remote) team, but there should be a definition of what is relevant and what is not. Could you help me understand with a few examples?
-Aaron
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Christian Aistleitner < christian@quelltextlich.at> wrote:
Dear fellow Analytics Developer team members,
over the past few weeks, it seems we at least twice discussed that maybe we want to adopt "If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen". It appeared to me that both times, we actually wanted to move forward with that ... but it never got posted to the mailing list :-D
So I'm being bold:
Either slap me with a large trout by 2014-02-28 or agree with me that the Analytics development team adopts "If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen."
(With "list" being analytics@lists.wikimedia.org for public things, and "list" being analytics-internal@lists.wikimedia.org for not so public things.)
To state the obvious: meetings in real life, hangouts, or personal email do not qualify as "list" :-)
Have fun, Christian
/me hands a large trout to all of you to slap me with and ducks.
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Hi Aaron,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 01:31:58PM -0500, Aaron Halfaker wrote:
I don't know what type of things you are referring to. Should we manage tasks on this list or can they stay in mingle/trello?
Keep Trello! Keep Mingle! well ... :-D
But seriously, keep doing whatever you used to do, and using whatever tools that you used to use. My post really only targets the Analytics Development team (see last email's greeting). That's the place where it seemed to me that we had general agreement about the policy. I am not trying to mess with the Research & Data team. So feel free to ignore :-)
[...], but there should be a definition of what is relevant and what is not. Could you help me understand with a few examples?
I hope that common sense will lead us along the path :-) Of course Apache's use of it, as requirement to bring technical discussions/decisions to the list, serves as example.
So assume we would have a Hangout meeting tomorrow, where we would decide to ditch Hadoop and reimplement it because of NIH. That'd be “ok” only if we bring the decision and discussion to the list.
If Toby has new information about the level of privacy we have to employ around Wikipedia Zero data, it is fine if he tells the Development team in a Hangout. But it did not “happen” until he posted it to a list.
Thereby, it is assured that we have decisions and discussions around it * visible, * archived, and * addressable via an URL.
A different example is that the Development recently discussed doing a spike around how to best consume the request stream's compressed json in Hadoop through Pig. That's not a decision per se, but I'd hope (others might disagree :-) ) that it will lead to a short post to this list, so others can see the outcome and later revisit, refer to or use it.
On the other end, obviously my nice's next birthday, or me switching from Emacs to Vi, or minor things like whether or not we use constructor injection or setter injection for $RANDOM_CLASS_X would not not require mails to the list under normal circumstances from my point of view.
As you directly asked about whether or not one should manage tasks on this list; I hope we do not need to. From my point of view, that would increase noise a lot. But in a condensed manner that would totally make sense to me. Like Toby sent out a “Sprint Planning Update” some days ago, just like Diederik used to do. That looked good to me.
Have fun, Christian
My post really only targets the Analytics Development team (see last
email's greeting).
*face palm* Woops. Thanks for answering my questions anyway. :)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Christian Aistleitner < christian@quelltextlich.at> wrote:
Hi Aaron,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 01:31:58PM -0500, Aaron Halfaker wrote:
I don't know what type of things you are referring to. Should we manage tasks on this list or can they stay in mingle/trello?
Keep Trello! Keep Mingle! well ... :-D
But seriously, keep doing whatever you used to do, and using whatever tools that you used to use. My post really only targets the Analytics Development team (see last email's greeting). That's the place where it seemed to me that we had general agreement about the policy. I am not trying to mess with the Research & Data team. So feel free to ignore :-)
[...], but there should be a definition of what is relevant and what is not. Could you help me understand with a few examples?
I hope that common sense will lead us along the path :-) Of course Apache's use of it, as requirement to bring technical discussions/decisions to the list, serves as example.
So assume we would have a Hangout meeting tomorrow, where we would decide to ditch Hadoop and reimplement it because of NIH. That'd be "ok" only if we bring the decision and discussion to the list.
If Toby has new information about the level of privacy we have to employ around Wikipedia Zero data, it is fine if he tells the Development team in a Hangout. But it did not "happen" until he posted it to a list.
Thereby, it is assured that we have decisions and discussions around it
- visible,
- archived, and
- addressable via an URL.
A different example is that the Development recently discussed doing a spike around how to best consume the request stream's compressed json in Hadoop through Pig. That's not a decision per se, but I'd hope (others might disagree :-) ) that it will lead to a short post to this list, so others can see the outcome and later revisit, refer to or use it.
On the other end, obviously my nice's next birthday, or me switching from Emacs to Vi, or minor things like whether or not we use constructor injection or setter injection for $RANDOM_CLASS_X would not not require mails to the list under normal circumstances from my point of view.
As you directly asked about whether or not one should manage tasks on this list; I hope we do not need to. From my point of view, that would increase noise a lot. But in a condensed manner that would totally make sense to me. Like Toby sent out a "Sprint Planning Update" some days ago, just like Diederik used to do. That looked good to me.
Have fun, Christian
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Dear fellow Analytics Developer team members,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:20:01PM +0100, quelltextlich e.U. - Christian Aistleitner wrote:
Either slap me with a large trout by 2014-02-28 or agree with me that the Analytics development team adopts “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
as no one opposed, I assume we're now rolling by “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
Have fun, Christian
Thanks for following up on this Christian. Duly rolling.
-Toby
On Mar 3, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Christian Aistleitner christian@quelltextlich.at wrote:
Dear fellow Analytics Developer team members,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 07:20:01PM +0100, quelltextlich e.U. - Christian Aistleitner wrote: Either slap me with a large trout by 2014-02-28 or agree with me that the Analytics development team adopts “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
as no one opposed, I assume we're now rolling by “If it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen.”
Have fun, Christian
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