Hi, guys!
I was advised to write to the list and look for help here :)
The situation itself is explained here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963
We have the site of our chapter, Wikimedia RU, located on WMF servers and that's why we have limited access to the management of the site.
We need some statistics about visitors, views, etc. (and we do agree to have some aggregated/non-personal data to comply with the privacy policy) but the statistic itself is essential: we promote our website via Google Ad, we are going to gather funds via our website - that's why we need to understand the effectiveness of our efforts.
So, what would you suggest for us in this case? We thought about Piwik extension for the website but the ticket has no movement for quite a long time.
Best regards, rubin16
2015-05-25 0:30 GMT+03:00 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
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Hi Rubin,
I read the Phab ticket and feel your pain. A little bit of good news is that some data is already available for ru.wikimedia, in a project we call Vital Signs https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=ruwikimedia/metrics=DailyPageviews (webstatscollector). You can select different metrics from the bar at the top and see the definitions of each metric by clicking on the graph title. To gather these statistics, we use two publicly available sources of information:
labsdb https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Connecting_to_the_database_replicas_from_your_own_computer: a replica of the production database with private information stripped out pageview stats http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-all-sites/: compiled in our Hadoop cluster (the definition of pageview is currently changing and we'll have fresh new data soon, with an API as well).
I know this is most likely not enough, at least not as much as piwik would give you. We have been talking about setting up a piwik instance here so we can host the data and abide by our privacy policy. This discussion is ongoing with legal, but there are many people requesting piwik and I am optimistic it will go forward slowly. As for setting up a separate piwik instance and allowing our site to talk to it, I am pretty sure that's against our privacy policy, as the last comment in the Phab ticket https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963#1310125 says.
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, rubin.happy rubin.happy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, guys!
I was advised to write to the list and look for help here :)
The situation itself is explained here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963
We have the site of our chapter, Wikimedia RU, located on WMF servers and that's why we have limited access to the management of the site.
We need some statistics about visitors, views, etc. (and we do agree to have some aggregated/non-personal data to comply with the privacy policy) but the statistic itself is essential: we promote our website via Google Ad, we are going to gather funds via our website - that's why we need to understand the effectiveness of our efforts.
So, what would you suggest for us in this case? We thought about Piwik extension for the website but the ticket has no movement for quite a long time.
Best regards, rubin16
2015-05-25 0:30 GMT+03:00 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
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Well, the pageviews data will very deliberately /not/ contain any data from the chapters' wikis. So...
On 27 May 2015 at 10:04, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Rubin,
I read the Phab ticket and feel your pain. A little bit of good news is that some data is already available for ru.wikimedia, in a project we call Vital Signs. You can select different metrics from the bar at the top and see the definitions of each metric by clicking on the graph title. To gather these statistics, we use two publicly available sources of information:
labsdb: a replica of the production database with private information stripped out pageview stats: compiled in our Hadoop cluster (the definition of pageview is currently changing and we'll have fresh new data soon, with an API as well).
I know this is most likely not enough, at least not as much as piwik would give you. We have been talking about setting up a piwik instance here so we can host the data and abide by our privacy policy. This discussion is ongoing with legal, but there are many people requesting piwik and I am optimistic it will go forward slowly. As for setting up a separate piwik instance and allowing our site to talk to it, I am pretty sure that's against our privacy policy, as the last comment in the Phab ticket says.
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, rubin.happy rubin.happy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, guys!
I was advised to write to the list and look for help here :)
The situation itself is explained here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963
We have the site of our chapter, Wikimedia RU, located on WMF servers and that's why we have limited access to the management of the site.
We need some statistics about visitors, views, etc. (and we do agree to have some aggregated/non-personal data to comply with the privacy policy) but the statistic itself is essential: we promote our website via Google Ad, we are going to gather funds via our website - that's why we need to understand the effectiveness of our efforts.
So, what would you suggest for us in this case? We thought about Piwik extension for the website but the ticket has no movement for quite a long time.
Best regards, rubin16
2015-05-25 0:30 GMT+03:00 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
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Well, the pageviews data will very deliberately /not/ contain any data from the chapters' wikis. So...
The link I sent (this one https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=ruwikimedia/metrics=DailyPageviews%20(webstatscollector)) shows the data because that aggregator is running on the webstatscollector definition. So it's still ok for now.
Gotcha :)
On 27 May 2015 at 12:17, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, the pageviews data will very deliberately /not/ contain any data from the chapters' wikis. So...
The link I sent (this one) shows the data because that aggregator is running on the webstatscollector definition. So it's still ok for now.
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Oliver Keyes, 27/05/2015 18:04:
Well, the pageviews data will very deliberately/not/ contain any data from the chapters' wikis.
Will? When? Why? Makes no sense. Filed a bug: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100930
Nemo
Hi, Dan!
Thanks for the link, it seems to be useful. Is it somehow possible to get number of visitors for the particular day (for example, May 27)?
I opened relevant metrics but see no ability to get breakdown or set a daily scale... https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=ruwikimedia/metrics... (webstatscollector)
Best regards, Linar
2015-05-27 17:04 GMT+03:00 Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org:
Hi Rubin,
I read the Phab ticket and feel your pain. A little bit of good news is that some data is already available for ru.wikimedia, in a project we call Vital Signs https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=ruwikimedia/metrics=DailyPageviews%20(webstatscollector). You can select different metrics from the bar at the top and see the definitions of each metric by clicking on the graph title. To gather these statistics, we use two publicly available sources of information:
labsdb https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Connecting_to_the_database_replicas_from_your_own_computer: a replica of the production database with private information stripped out pageview stats http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-all-sites/: compiled in our Hadoop cluster (the definition of pageview is currently changing and we'll have fresh new data soon, with an API as well).
I know this is most likely not enough, at least not as much as piwik would give you. We have been talking about setting up a piwik instance here so we can host the data and abide by our privacy policy. This discussion is ongoing with legal, but there are many people requesting piwik and I am optimistic it will go forward slowly. As for setting up a separate piwik instance and allowing our site to talk to it, I am pretty sure that's against our privacy policy, as the last comment in the Phab ticket https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963#1310125 says.
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, rubin.happy rubin.happy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, guys!
I was advised to write to the list and look for help here :)
The situation itself is explained here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91963
We have the site of our chapter, Wikimedia RU, located on WMF servers and that's why we have limited access to the management of the site.
We need some statistics about visitors, views, etc. (and we do agree to have some aggregated/non-personal data to comply with the privacy policy) but the statistic itself is essential: we promote our website via Google Ad, we are going to gather funds via our website - that's why we need to understand the effectiveness of our efforts.
So, what would you suggest for us in this case? We thought about Piwik extension for the website but the ticket has no movement for quite a long time.
Best regards, rubin16
2015-05-25 0:30 GMT+03:00 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
Analytics public mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
Send a message here explaining what you are looking for. I'll work with Analytics Dev. to discuss a solution that we could put in place.
-Aaron
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Is it somehow possible to get number of visitors for the particular day (for example, May 27)?
I opened relevant metrics but see no ability to get breakdown or set a daily scale...
https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=ruwikimedia/metrics... (webstatscollector)
Right now the visualization we're using isn't very interactive. We just finished a better one and we'll deploy it soon, and you'll be able to hover to see specific daily values, zoom in, etc. This should be deployed within the next week, but for now the best I can offer is the raw file with the data behind the graph. You can find that here: https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/datafiles/DailyPageviews/ruwikimed...