When I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics, clicking on "content pages" takes me to a list of pages that are included in "(Article)" namespace. But this includes redirects, which is surprising to me because the Special:Statistics page implies to me that redirects are included in "Pages (All pages in the wiki, including talk pages, redirects, etc.)" which is a separate link. So, is there a way to verify that what Special:Statistics is showing for "content pages" actually excludes the redirects that are shown in "(Article)" namespace?
I also have a question about disambiguation pages. When I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages, select "(Article)", and select "hide redirects", disambiguation pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!!, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_(disambiguation), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teel and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons are all still appearing in that list of pages. Should we be counting disambiguation pages as "articles"? I suppose it makes sense to think of editing disambiguation pages as editing in content space, but I'm a little hesitant to count them as articles for the purposes of the 5,000,000 milestone. Curious to hear what others think about whether disambiguation pages should be counted as articles for this purpose.
Thanks,
Pine
Short answer is yes - all pages are pages, whether redirects or disambigs. Some redirects are created as such, but many were created as articles that got merged for one of two reasons - 1) the article already existed under a different spelling ; 2) the article was considered not encyclopedic enough for its own article and was merged into some parent article. In both cases there was a lot of time and effort in there that can still be seen in the page history. Disambigs idem ditto. On Wikidata there were some discussions about including redirects, disambigs and list articles as items and the conclusion was no items for redirects, but there are items for disambigs and lists. Many are still unlabelled as such however.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
When I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics, clicking on "content pages" takes me to a list of pages that are included in "(Article)" namespace. But this includes redirects, which is surprising to me because the Special:Statistics page implies to me that redirects are included in "Pages (All pages in the wiki, including talk pages, redirects, etc.)" which is a separate link. So, is there a way to verify that what Special:Statistics is showing for "content pages" actually excludes the redirects that are shown in "(Article)" namespace?
I also have a question about disambiguation pages. When I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages, select "(Article)", and select "hide redirects", disambiguation pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!!, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_(disambiguation), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teel and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons are all still appearing in that list of pages. Should we be counting disambiguation pages as "articles"? I suppose it makes sense to think of editing disambiguation pages as editing in content space, but I'm a little hesitant to count them as articles for the purposes of the 5,000,000 milestone. Curious to hear what others think about whether disambiguation pages should be counted as articles for this purpose.
Thanks,
Pine
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On 28 October 2015 at 07:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
When I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics, clicking on "content pages" takes me to a list of pages that are included in "(Article)" namespace. But this includes redirects, which is surprising to me because the Special:Statistics page implies to me that redirects are included in "Pages (All pages in the wiki, including talk pages, redirects, etc.)" which is a separate link. So, is there a way to verify that what Special:Statistics is showing for "content pages" actually excludes the redirects that are shown in "(Article)" namespace?
There are ~12 million namespace 0 ("article") pages, so you can be confident that this is a subset :-)
http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/5869
The definition of what gets counted by Special:Statistics is here - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article_count - I believe from memory we use the default (must have some text, at least one wikilink, and not be a redirect), but please someone correct me if I'm wrong...
disambiguation pages as "articles"? I suppose it makes sense to think of editing disambiguation pages as editing in content space, but I'm a little hesitant to count them as articles for the purposes of the 5,000,000 milestone. Curious to hear what others think about whether disambiguation pages should be counted as articles for this purpose.
Whether they should be is an open question, but we've been counting them in our standard definition for years, and if we remove them the article count will drop back to 4.73 million overnight - a lot more time to write the press release!