I am wondering whether Wikidata is included in this table?
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
It looks like it is not, since it has >3.5k active editors but is not in the list on the left, but I would like to be sure.
If it is not, why not? The project has been active for over a year.
Denny Vrandečić, 13/12/2013 03:11:
I am wondering whether Wikidata is included in this table?
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
It looks like it is not, since it has >3.5k active editors but is not in the list on the left, but I would like to be sure.
If it is not, why not? The project has been active for over a year.
Wikivoyage is not included, either. The reportcard is used by the WMF to assess trends relating to their annual/strategic plan; introducing too many variables like new projects can make comparability impossible, so they're probably putting a lot of thought in this. Maybe you should bring this up in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_active_editors. stats.wikimedia.org is more free from such considerations and has all the data, so it can be used by anyone for their own digging. ;-)
Nemo
On Dec 13, 2013 1:56 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Denny Vrandečić, 13/12/2013 03:11:
I am wondering whether Wikidata is included in this table?
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
It looks like it is not, since it has >3.5k active editors but is not in the list on the left, but I would like to be sure.
If it is not, why not? The project has been active for over a year.
Wikivoyage is not included, either. The reportcard is used by the WMF to
assess trends relating to their annual/strategic plan; introducing too many variables like new projects can make comparability impossible, so they're probably putting a lot of thought in this. Maybe you should bring this up in < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_...
. stats.wikimedia.org is more free from such considerations and has all the
data, so it can be used by anyone for their own digging. ;-)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/ is also missing many newish wikis, such as Minangkabau Wikipedia (min), which was created in January.
-- Johm Vandenberg
The pages on meta are drafts for new metric definitions: simpler where possible, more consistent.
By itself very important as the new analytics infrastructure will be based on it.
The pages are still rough, a work in progress, early ideas proposed by WMF researchers, but they are on meta for a purpose:
We want definitions that work for everyone. And your insights are needed.
It just wasn’t announced yet, but I’m sure that would happen soon anyway.
For now the monthly dashboard data are mostly fed from wikistats and will suffer from same issues as wikistats.
Long ago I made the conscious decision to manually add wiki codes one by one to a wikistats copy of the dblist files,
instead of relying on those centrally maintained dblist files.
The reason being someone inadvertently added the code for a private wiki to one of those lists.
This caused pieces of content for that private wiki to spill over into wikistats reports (e.g. most edited articles per month).
And it took lots of editing and a custom script to remove the stats for that unwanted wiki from all csv files.
Now for many years GerardM kept me informed about new wiki codes. Thanks again for that Gerard.
He is probably too busy with other stuff these days. I know he does a lot for Wikidata. I’ll ask him about it.
Maybe a comparison script could spot new additions in centrally maintained tables, and report on it, I can put that on my list, but don’t hold your breath.
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Why Wikidata is not counted, just an oversight, I will look into it.
I added Minangkabau two weeks ago, on request by Siebrand.
Reports for that wiki should arrive later this month.
Cheers,
Erik Zachte
From: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Vandenberg Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:24 To: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. Subject: Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
On Dec 13, 2013 1:56 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Denny Vrandečić, 13/12/2013 03:11:
I am wondering whether Wikidata is included in this table?
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
It looks like it is not, since it has >3.5k active editors but is not in the list on the left, but I would like to be sure.
If it is not, why not? The project has been active for over a year.
Wikivoyage is not included, either. The reportcard is used by the WMF to assess trends relating to their annual/strategic plan; introducing too many variables like new projects can make comparability impossible, so they're probably putting a lot of thought in this. Maybe you should bring this up in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_active_editors. stats.wikimedia.org is more free from such considerations and has all the data, so it can be used by anyone for their own digging. ;-)
http://stats.wikimedia.org/ is also missing many newish wikis, such as Minangkabau Wikipedia (min), which was created in January.
-- Johm Vandenberg
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
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Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats
could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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We are, and it will be fixed, for all history, as wikistats always recreates data for all months.
Erik Zachte
From: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jan Ainali Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 9:46 To: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. Subject: Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/12/13 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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I just checked: Wikidata is in the input file for the report card.
It is in the top 25 wikis for which data are fed into Limn, for new editors, and for (very) active editors, (actually it is in the top 10 even).
It just doesnt show in Limn (Im guessing why that might be: maybe because it is an outlier in that it is the only project with an incomplete time series)
I just filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58450
Incidentally Limn does only show and export to csv / htm table the top 9 rows instead of 25 contained in the input.
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
Ceterum censeo Limn invigorandum esse.
Now that we are at it, the 25 languages limit by itself is a relic from report card version 1 which was based on a spreadsheet.
A long standing wish of mine for Limn is to remove these limitations alltogether, not feed 25 languages but all 280 and not 3 years but all history.
And have a language selector box as a navigational tool. Ill try to get this on the agenda when Limn functionality boost is scheduled.
BTW wikivoyage is also fed into Limn, in per project totals, but unlike the old report card Limn doesnt show charts with per project totals just yet
WikiData, WikiVoyage and Meta all count towards deduplicated total active editors.
Next time I should check first, concede an oversight later. ;-)
What that leaves to be fixed in Wikistats as far as I can see is add page views for meta wiki:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
Erik Zachte
From: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jan Ainali Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 9:46 To: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. Subject: Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/12/13 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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Thanks for the bug report Erik. I'm sure there's some dumb bug in the csv -> limn conversion python scripts. I'll look into them before the next update at the latest. I hope it's ok with you, I'll paste in your email to the bug, it'll be useful later when I work on it.
Dan
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
I just checked: Wikidata is in the input file for the report card.
It is in the top 25 wikis for which data are fed into Limn, for new editors, and for (very) active editors, (actually it is in the top 10 even).
It just doesn’t show in Limn (I’m guessing why that might be: maybe because it is an outlier in that it is the only project with an incomplete time series)
I just filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58450
Incidentally Limn does only show and export to csv / htm table the top 9 rows instead of 25 contained in the input.
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
Ceterum censeo Limn invigorandum esse.
Now that we are at it, the 25 languages limit by itself is a relic from report card version 1 which was based on a spreadsheet.
A long standing wish of mine for Limn is to remove these limitations alltogether, not feed 25 languages but all 280 and not 3 years but all history.
And have a language selector box as a navigational tool. I’ll try to get this on the agenda when Limn functionality boost is scheduled.
BTW wikivoyage is also fed into Limn, in per project totals, but unlike the old report card Limn doesn’t show charts with per project totals just yet
WikiData, WikiVoyage and Meta all count towards deduplicated total active editors.
Next time I should check first, concede an oversight later. ;-)
What that leaves to be fixed in Wikistats as far as I can see is add page views for meta wiki:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
Erik Zachte
*From:* analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jan Ainali *Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2013 9:46
*To:* A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. *Subject:* Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
*Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/12/13 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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I've upped the priority on this and Dan and I will figure out when to schedule it.
-Toby
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Thanks for the bug report Erik. I'm sure there's some dumb bug in the csv -> limn conversion python scripts. I'll look into them before the next update at the latest. I hope it's ok with you, I'll paste in your email to the bug, it'll be useful later when I work on it.
Dan
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I just checked: Wikidata is in the input file for the report card.
It is in the top 25 wikis for which data are fed into Limn, for new editors, and for (very) active editors, (actually it is in the top 10 even).
It just doesn’t show in Limn (I’m guessing why that might be: maybe because it is an outlier in that it is the only project with an incomplete time series)
I just filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58450
Incidentally Limn does only show and export to csv / htm table the top 9 rows instead of 25 contained in the input.
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
Ceterum censeo Limn invigorandum esse.
Now that we are at it, the 25 languages limit by itself is a relic from report card version 1 which was based on a spreadsheet.
A long standing wish of mine for Limn is to remove these limitations alltogether, not feed 25 languages but all 280 and not 3 years but all history.
And have a language selector box as a navigational tool. I’ll try to get this on the agenda when Limn functionality boost is scheduled.
BTW wikivoyage is also fed into Limn, in per project totals, but unlike the old report card Limn doesn’t show charts with per project totals just yet
WikiData, WikiVoyage and Meta all count towards deduplicated total active editors.
Next time I should check first, concede an oversight later. ;-)
What that leaves to be fixed in Wikistats as far as I can see is add page views for meta wiki:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
Erik Zachte
*From:* analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jan Ainali *Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2013 9:46
*To:* A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. *Subject:* Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/12/13 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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Thank you, Erik, for the analysis and the digging!
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
I just checked: Wikidata is in the input file for the report card.
It is in the top 25 wikis for which data are fed into Limn, for new editors, and for (very) active editors, (actually it is in the top 10 even).
It just doesn’t show in Limn (I’m guessing why that might be: maybe because it is an outlier in that it is the only project with an incomplete time series)
I just filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58450
Incidentally Limn does only show and export to csv / htm table the top 9 rows instead of 25 contained in the input.
http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors
Ceterum censeo Limn invigorandum esse.
Now that we are at it, the 25 languages limit by itself is a relic from report card version 1 which was based on a spreadsheet.
A long standing wish of mine for Limn is to remove these limitations alltogether, not feed 25 languages but all 280 and not 3 years but all history.
And have a language selector box as a navigational tool. I’ll try to get this on the agenda when Limn functionality boost is scheduled.
BTW wikivoyage is also fed into Limn, in per project totals, but unlike the old report card Limn doesn’t show charts with per project totals just yet
WikiData, WikiVoyage and Meta all count towards deduplicated total active editors.
Next time I should check first, concede an oversight later. ;-)
What that leaves to be fixed in Wikistats as far as I can see is add page views for meta wiki:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
Erik Zachte
*From:* analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jan Ainali *Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2013 9:46
*To:* A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics. *Subject:* Re: [Analytics] Wikidata in this table?
If the strategic plan includes getting more users, and some new projects achieve just that, aren't we missing something important by not including them?
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/12/13 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Erik Zachte, 13/12/2013 09:23:
KISS: there is a procedure for new wikis, if a headsup for wikistats could be added there, that might do it.
Roan created https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects a while ago, dunno if it's still working (last message was in August, sounds plausible but I'm not sure).
Nemo
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