Hey there!
I'm helping someone who is looking for a couple of indicators based on Wikipedia data (specifically number of Wiki pages available to a country’s population and the number of Wiki edits per user).
I can access the latest data on the first indicator, which requires number of articles in each language. This is at the link found here https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesArticlesTotal.htm
However, I see from this link https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportsCountriesLanguagesVisitsEdits.htm that we have not published data on the number of Wiki page edits since 2014. Do we plan to update this data at some point in the near future? Or has this metric been discontinued?
Thanks,
Anne
Hi,
The top of the page says "Discontinued since June 2015" in a small font but does not tell where to find recent data instead...
As numerous people have ended up with outdated content on stats.wikimedia.org, does the Analytics team plan to edit that site to make it visibly clear that data is outdated and display info where to go instead (or maybe even just redirect)?
andre
On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 17:35 -0800, Anne Gomez wrote:
Hey there!
I'm helping someone who is looking for a couple of indicators based on Wikipedia data (specifically number of Wiki pages available to a country’s population and the number of Wiki edits per user). I can access the latest data on the first indicator, which requires number of articles in each language. This is at the link found here h ttps://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesArticlesTotal.htm However, I see from this link that we have not published data on the number of Wiki page edits since 2014. Do we plan to update this data at some point in the near future? Or has this metric been discontinued?
Thanks, Anne
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On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 11:20 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
The top of the page says "Discontinued since June 2015" in a small font but does not tell where to find recent data instead...
As numerous people have ended up with outdated content on stats.wikimedia.org, does the Analytics team plan to edit that site to make it visibly clear that data is outdated and display info where to go instead (or maybe even just redirect)?
I found that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/DumpReports/Future_per_re... talks about some vague migration or replacement (without more info). https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikistats_2.0_Design_Project might cover the overall plan (though I cannot find any time line or such).
andre
Andre, Anne, generally people looking for updates on Wikistats. We've been spamming the lists / wikis with messages about the plans but we know it gets lost in the noise. Suggestions for where to post / what to say are always useful.
So the plan is thus:
* The big banner at the top of all Wikistats pages is meant to drive people into the collaborative process of designing Wikistats 2.0. The latest phase just closed, we went over wireframes, lots of discussion here [1]. Please chime in if you have thoughts / would like to see other metrics represented. We really thought the banner was clear and very visible, and that seems to not be the case. Any help re-phrasing that is welcome. I'm also happy to have tech talks, presentations at metrics, whatever people find useful. * We don't have a hard deadline for when we're switching over, just planning to launch as much of Wikistats 2.0 as possible, iteratively.. We will have one more consultation on visual design and then start developing the beta version of the new site. We're communicating on mediawiki.org and tracking in these parent tasks: [2], [3]. Timeline-wise, we're aiming to have the most important reports migrated by the end of next quarter. * Erik is continuing to maintain Wikistats as much as possible, though we all acknowledge this is past the deadline of when he was expecting to stop. * Discontinued reports are not new in Wikistats, they started being discontinued before the Wikistats 2.0 project, but I can see why people would be tempted to conflate these separate things.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikistats_2.0_Design_Project/RequestforFeedba... [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152033 for this quarter's design work [3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140000 for next quarter's implementation work
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 11:20 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
The top of the page says "Discontinued since June 2015" in a small font but does not tell where to find recent data instead...
As numerous people have ended up with outdated content on stats.wikimedia.org, does the Analytics team plan to edit that site to make it visibly clear that data is outdated and display info where to go instead (or maybe even just redirect)?
I found that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/ DumpReports/Future_per_report talks about some vague migration or replacement (without more info). https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikistats_2.0_Design_Project might cover the overall plan (though I cannot find any time line or such).
andre
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Thanks Dan and Andre. And sorry for skipping the subj line (oops).
I'll pass all of this on. The UX looks nice, and I'm sure Erik will be glad when the migration is done :)
One last question - do you plan to replace this metric in particular in the new version? I haven't found that specific information anywhere you've linked.
Thanks, Anne
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
Andre, Anne, generally people looking for updates on Wikistats. We've been spamming the lists / wikis with messages about the plans but we know it gets lost in the noise. Suggestions for where to post / what to say are always useful.
So the plan is thus:
- The big banner at the top of all Wikistats pages is meant to drive
people into the collaborative process of designing Wikistats 2.0. The latest phase just closed, we went over wireframes, lots of discussion here [1]. Please chime in if you have thoughts / would like to see other metrics represented. We really thought the banner was clear and very visible, and that seems to not be the case. Any help re-phrasing that is welcome. I'm also happy to have tech talks, presentations at metrics, whatever people find useful.
- We don't have a hard deadline for when we're switching over, just
planning to launch as much of Wikistats 2.0 as possible, iteratively.. We will have one more consultation on visual design and then start developing the beta version of the new site. We're communicating on mediawiki.org and tracking in these parent tasks: [2], [3]. Timeline-wise, we're aiming to have the most important reports migrated by the end of next quarter.
- Erik is continuing to maintain Wikistats as much as possible, though we
all acknowledge this is past the deadline of when he was expecting to stop.
- Discontinued reports are not new in Wikistats, they started being
discontinued before the Wikistats 2.0 project, but I can see why people would be tempted to conflate these separate things.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikistats_2.0_Design_ Project/RequestforFeedback/Round1 [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152033 for this quarter's design work [3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140000 for next quarter's implementation work
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 11:20 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
The top of the page says "Discontinued since June 2015" in a small font but does not tell where to find recent data instead...
As numerous people have ended up with outdated content on stats.wikimedia.org, does the Analytics team plan to edit that site to make it visibly clear that data is outdated and display info where to go instead (or maybe even just redirect)?
I found that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/DumpRepor ts/Future_per_report talks about some vague migration or replacement (without more info). https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikistats_2.0_Design_Project might cover the overall plan (though I cannot find any time line or such).
andre
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One last question - do you plan to replace this metric in particular in the new version? I haven't found that specific information anywhere you've linked.
I'm sorry Anne, I totally missed the point there with my long reply.
*Articles per language per population*: we will definitely track total articles per wiki project and total overall articles, both de-duplicated by wikidata ID and overall (eventually). And we plan to offer a more advanced interface where you can divide one metric by another, so you can get "per population" graphed. We didn't spell this out in the design document but if you click on the navigation model [1] and zoom in you'll see *Content* -> Total Articles and that's what we're planning to do there.
*Edits per user*: I think you might mean edits per country from your context, but just in case, we will be tracking edits per user in different ways under the *Contributing* section. Active Editors specifically will have more breakdowns and ways to see the data than wikistats does currently.
*Edits per country*: We had trouble with this metric at the monthly granularity for privacy reasons. We found potential attacks that could de-anonymize individual editors' locations. Since this is data we value greatly, we took care to fuzz the numbers and make this very unlikely. We have new data sanitizing ideas that we're going to work on next quarter because many people could use this kind of data. For internal WMF staff, we have geowiki which has all these numbers [2]. I'm sorry if I haven't told you about this before, Anne, it definitely seems relevant to your work, let me know if you need help accessing it.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Wikistats_Nav_Model_v4.png [2] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Geowiki
Thanks much, Dan!
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org wrote:
One last question - do you plan to replace this metric in particular in
the new version? I haven't found that specific information anywhere you've linked.
I'm sorry Anne, I totally missed the point there with my long reply.
*Articles per language per population*: we will definitely track total articles per wiki project and total overall articles, both de-duplicated by wikidata ID and overall (eventually). And we plan to offer a more advanced interface where you can divide one metric by another, so you can get "per population" graphed. We didn't spell this out in the design document but if you click on the navigation model [1] and zoom in you'll see *Content* -> Total Articles and that's what we're planning to do there.
*Edits per user*: I think you might mean edits per country from your context, but just in case, we will be tracking edits per user in different ways under the *Contributing* section. Active Editors specifically will have more breakdowns and ways to see the data than wikistats does currently.
*Edits per country*: We had trouble with this metric at the monthly granularity for privacy reasons. We found potential attacks that could de-anonymize individual editors' locations. Since this is data we value greatly, we took care to fuzz the numbers and make this very unlikely. We have new data sanitizing ideas that we're going to work on next quarter because many people could use this kind of data. For internal WMF staff, we have geowiki which has all these numbers [2]. I'm sorry if I haven't told you about this before, Anne, it definitely seems relevant to your work, let me know if you need help accessing it.
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Wikistats_Nav_Model_v4.png [2] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Geowiki
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