Out of interest, where's the request from?

On 27 May 2014 10:17, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.org wrote:

excellent -- thanks Alex.

-Toby

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Alex Druk alex.druk@gmail.com wrote:

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Andrew West maintain a list of popular redlinks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TOPRED

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.orgwrote:

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Hi all --

We've received a request for a list of red links. I've been told we can get this list from the link table.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

thanks,

-Toby

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Aha. Andrew, good catch :). It should be perfectly possible to generate this in an ad-hoc fashion for this request using the pagelinks table: the query is simple enough to write. Want me to just add it to my to-do?

On 27 May 2014 10:56, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.org wrote:

Gerard Miejssen

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.orgwrote:

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Out of interest, where's the request from?

On 27 May 2014 10:17, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.org wrote:

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excellent -- thanks Alex.

-Toby

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Alex Druk alex.druk@gmail.com wrote:

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Andrew West maintain a list of popular redlinks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TOPRED

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.orgwrote:

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Hi all --

We've received a request for a list of red links. I've been told we can get this list from the link table.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

thanks,

-Toby

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Strictly speaking this isn't the same thing - Andrew West's list is "pages which have been requested but don't exist", ordered by traffic, and may not (probably does not?) reflect actual redlinks on the wiki.

(As an example, the top five includes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Martine_Dalmas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Zofia_Palak - as you can see, the only appearances of that link are in lists like this...). Most of this traffic will originate externally, I presume.

In terms of actual redlinks, there is an intermittently run report at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages (and similarly for other wikis) which is based on the number of actual redlinks in the wiki - actual traffic is ignored. However, this can be skewed by template links - if one widespread navigational or administrative template includes a link, then that appears much more popular than you'd expect.

The link for "Colin Bradshaw" there, for example, comes about because the maintenance template on the talkpages of all bird articles transcludes a to-do list, which included a link to it as a requested article.

Before you ask, it's not currently possible (or at least not without heavy analysis) to figure out which inbound links are in "real" page text and which are in templates ;-)

Andrew.

On 27 May 2014 18:15, Alex Druk alex.druk@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew West maintain a list of popular redlinks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TOPRED

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.org wrote:

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Hi all --

We've received a request for a list of red links. I've been told we can get this list from the link table.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

thanks,

-Toby

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Thanks Maarten -- Gerard do any of these work for your use case?

Cheers,

-Toby

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nlwrote:

Hi Toby,

Toby Negrin schreef op 27-5-2014 19:08:

Hi all --

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We've received a request for a list of red links. I've been told we can get this list from the link table.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

http://tools.wmflabs.org/tsreports/?wiki=enwiki&report=wantedpages does this. That will run on every Wikimedia wiki.

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What's an 'academic exercise' in this context? ;). If what you're looking for is not limited to redlinks, I'd suggest giving some examples of other heuristics that could be used to detect people not finding their desired destination, and then we can go "yes, we have that!" or "no, we do not have that!".

On 28 May 2014 01:05, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:

Hoi, The use case I have is to find what people are looking for and cannot find. This is not restricted to "red links". The fact that one template or other construct does not exist is NOT what people are looking for. They look for things like "Obama" "Barack Obama" etc.. They will only find this when there is an article or they will find it when WD-Search is enabled. They will not find it when they use a script that is specific to their language when there is no article.

The objective is that people can add labels to the Wikidata items in order to enable search results using WD-Search, search in Wikidata or search in Reasonator. Additionally such labels will become available in Reasonator or Wikidata when that item is used in a statement. In addition to this Reasonator will show its "backlinks" in many instances.

Consequently, the point of this data is to enable activities that will improve user experience directly. It is not an academic exercise that provides nice to have information. Thanks, GerardM

On 27 May 2014 22:08, Toby Negrin tnegrin@wikimedia.org wrote:

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Thanks Maarten -- Gerard do any of these work for your use case?

Cheers,

-Toby

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:

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Hi Toby,

Toby Negrin schreef op 27-5-2014 19:08:

Hi all --

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We've received a request for a list of red links. I've been told we can get this list from the link table.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

http://tools.wmflabs.org/tsreports/?wiki=enwiki&report=wantedpages does this. That will run on every Wikimedia wiki.

Maarten

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