"Editors" could also work - does it count IP edits?
AIUI (I may have got this wrong) if we disable HTTPS it shouldn't affect the normal reading experience for a passer-by - it should work without too many problems. (After all, it worked fine six months ago)
But actually logging in *requires* the use of https, and thus if you disable https for IE6 users they won't be able to log in - so we'll be effectively blocking any users restricted to IE6 only, as Chris notes above. Which is, of course, a major issue if there are active editors using the browser, less critical if they're all readers...
Andrew.
On 16 October 2014 00:02, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sensible! I could. The code is already running, mind, so it would require a restart. But, I'm not seeing why "logged-in" people are a distinct subgroup for the purpose of disabling HTTPS. If we just want "editors", I can get editors, of course.
On 15 October 2014 17:45, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Is there any way you can look at traffic for particular pages? If so, you could look at traffic to something like Special:Watchlist or Special:UserLogin on a representative sample of wikis - anyone using these two pages is very likely to represent a logged-in user, and traffic numbers to them are high enough you might get useful data even with the sampling limits.
Andrew.
On 15 October 2014 21:50, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Darnit. Ah well! Okay; finished building the code to retrieve this data. Takes ~400 seconds to handle a day of logs, so take into account parallelisation and I should (should!) have something to show in a couple of hours for the first 3 Qs. The fourth, it seems, is beyond our ken.
On 15 October 2014 15:54, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
There's no data for IE6 in EventLogging because IE6 gets no JS these days. Maybe, if there's old enough data...
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Update: Yuvi's pointed me towards a login attempts schema. All 4 are doable. Data tomorrow morning EST at the latest.
On 15 October 2014 15:19, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
(With "jiffy" read "a day"; even with sampling, big logs are big, and I imagine we probably want ~30 days of data.)
On 15 October 2014 15:18, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote: > > First three are pretty trivial; last one is a bit of a pain, but > doable > if someone wants to poke me on IRC (/query Ironholds) and chat about > what an > unambiguous successful login action would look like in terms of > requests. > But I can do the first three in a jiffy. > > On 15 October 2014 13:32, Brandon Black bblack@wikimedia.org > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Keyes >> okeyes@wikimedia.org >> wrote: >>> >>> You invoked my name! >>> >>> Emphasis is "logged-in". If you guys want more solid overall >>> numbers, >>> I can get those in short order; this seems like a pretty critical >>> question >>> to have data on, fast. Lemme know. >> >> >> If you can source some good reliable numbers, probably what we care >> about (all of which have been estimated to some degree in this >> thread >> already, I think?) is: >> >> % of all requests from IE6 >> % of all https requests from IE6 >> % of all text/html https requests from IE6 (not so important IMHO, >> if >> it's difficult) >> % of all logged-in https requests (or alternatively, % of all >> successful https login attempts) from IE6. >> > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Research Analyst > Wikimedia Foundation
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