Hi Jan-Bart,
Don't worry, I understand, "irregular" is often used as a euphemism for
improper but I guess that's something that a non-native speaker may not
necessarily be aware of.
At the same time I should have said I think the Foundation's actions are
understandable and reasonable in the circumstances, even if they are very
disappointing. These are serious allegations after all.
Regards,
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi
Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English
was very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey
was "unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review…
Jan-Bart
On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi Jan-Bart and others,
I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before
jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular"
(which incidentally, clearly *is *an accusation of wrong doing). There
are certainly allegations that have been made that are of serious concern
but I would hope people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report
before assuming they are well founded.
In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very
difficult time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this
and we can come through a stronger chapter at the end.
Regards,
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi
It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly)
irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you
state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing
(which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is
actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of
consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at.
Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its
not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do
under the difficult circumstances.
(oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done
automatically)
Jan-Bart de Vreede
Wikimedia Board of Trustees
On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote:
On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote:
> Hi James (and others)
>
> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically
assume
> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this
point everyone should be
> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several
> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important
> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the
> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from
this
> and draw proper conclusions.
Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you
(personally
and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong
before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been
completed.
KTC
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