[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

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I'll bite.  It's an ad-hoc way of finding out if there's something 
wrong.  Those who feel strongly, mostly those who got annoyed by 
someone biting them are going to respond.  The majority perhaps, who 
don't feel one way or the other, won't.  If 10% of the population 
leaves every month because they got bit, do 10% new members show up 
every month?  It's seems rather unscientific for such a group of 
eggheads to depend on a survey of this sort to determine that a problem 
actually exists that is worth trying to fix.

On another note, "fixing" civility problems more than they are already 
fixed (i.e. policy and action) sounds a bit like someone is proposing a 
stronger policy that may end up biting even more.  I am an aggressive 
argumentalist and some take that to be insulting.  But being aggressive 
is not the same as being uncivil.


<<On the point of a consensus that there are problems - is there anyone
who disagrees, strongly, with the thesis that we have civility
problems?>>





-----Original Message-----
From: George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Civility poll results










On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Marc 
Riddell<michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> 2009/8/12 Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com>:
>>
>>> Marc IS participating in discussion here, so I don't see how the 
above
>>> statement applies to him.
>>
>>
>> Mostly his habit of complaining on mailing lists and actively 
refusing
>> to engage on the wiki itself, where decisions about the wiki are
>> actually made. They aren't made here.
>>
>>
> David, you "lead" not only by insinuation, but by deception. The 
Mailing
> Lists are the medium I choose to use. I am not looking for decisions 
to be
> made here, merely a consensus that there are, indeed, problems.

Marc, I understand your frustration, but the word "deception" and your
butting heads with David (who is unfortunately rather agreeably
butting back, as he is wont to do (shame, David)) were at least
unfortunate choices of words and could be considered uncivil.

On the point of a consensus that there are problems - is there anyone
who disagrees, strongly, with the thesis that we have civility
problems?


--
-george william herbert
george.herbert at gmail.com

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