I concur. Those who can read French can already see that kind of reactions
in the Wikidata French village pump (bistro)
First impression is really important in community reception and can be a
blocker even if situation later evolved. Some people took a lot of care in
details when building for example their templates and tends to be hostile
to something new that has not the same level of care ... Even if you tell
them they are in control of the evolution and that the existing solutions
can totally be used by the new templates. At least in a big Wikipedia. I
think we need a lot of preparation and complication (and thinking) to avoid
a disastrous deployment of this feature.
Le 23 janv. 2016 17:41, "geraki" <geraki(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
I look forward for the day that something like this
will be possible.
I have already promoted and worked on using wikidata in infoboxes etc, and
I have used and promoted (still not much) the use of "Template:Redwd" to
link to Reasonator for articles that don't exist yet (or will never do).
And I would be happy to promote this on my wikipedia (el.wikipedia -
115000 articles - 800 active users)
Of course, there are many things to consider and discuss. Not only
technical, but even policy.
But to achieve anything it has to be advertised correctly.
The Ada Lovelace example is a recipe to get a negative answer from the
communities.
Wikipedians do not understand and do not even care for the technical
aspects of this, even if you tell them that they can have control with Lua
and templates.
At least the examples should display something familiar and closer to the
final product.
Most small wikipedias do not have enough (or any) users that can use Lua
modules to create complex things.
What you will need to do is to provide not only the infrastructure but
also the Modules and Templates that will be used, preferably to display
something like Reasonator does.
If you can provide something like that, even something simple as a first
example, I would be happy to promote it to el.wikipedia.
Konstantinos Stampoulis
geraki(a)geraki.gr
http://www.geraki.gr
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2016-01-20 15:57 GMT+02:00 Lucie Kaffee <lucie.kaffee(a)wikimedia.de>de>:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an
extension called
“ArticlePlaceholder”
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the
last months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia
provides is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias.
People who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the
information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support
them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article
Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or
other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly
not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have
an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control
of the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults
so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the
technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace
http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopi…
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets results
if there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a
topic yet, they will still have basic information provided in their
language. But it also might increase the numbers of editors due to
increased usefulness of that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by
deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension
and the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how
it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We
would start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
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