Luiz
Perhaps it is the language barrier, but I am not sure
about what you are saying entirely.
I think you are saying that there is a continued need
for [[:oldwikisource:]] outside of staring new
wikisources. Of course I agree with you in that. But
as I said, not everyone agrees with this. I cannot be
certain of everyone I talked to about this (it was not
recently), but timichal is one person who talked of
merging content into incubator and the conversation
ended with us agreeing to disagree about the issue. I
do not believe he was talking about the year 2859. I
am not entirely against the idea of merging the test
wiki process, but I am against handing off that
process without some seperate conditions for
Wikisources. First that related languages should be
required to attempt to work together to conserve
resources (i.e. in the line of de.WS hosting Low Saxon
and en.WS hosting Middle English) before being given a
test wiki. Secondly that test wikis which do not
"pass" should be imported into [[:oldwikisource:]].
Birgitte SB
--- Luiz Augusto <lugusto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/2/07, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Due to past conversations I have had with people
involved with incubator, I read the comment about
"merging processes" differently than you did.
Perhaps
I am mistaken, and that is not what was meant in
this
case.
However there are people who have been clear with
me
that they think [[:oldwikisource:]] should be
completely merged into [[:incubator:]] in the long
term.
With long term you is trying to say "starting at the
2859 year"? If yes, it
is fine to me. The world have more than 5,000
languages and the Wikimedia
Foundation at this time have 63 Wikipedias, the most
google-friendly
project, with less than 100 articles [1]. I think
that the [[:incubator:]]
is a temporary hosting, not a hosting for someone
trying to found more
people speaking on a specific language that have
Internet access, knows
something related to free culture, historical texts,
OCRing and wiki culture
like [[:oldwikisource:]] is for some languages.
Personally I don't like to see the process of
starting new Wikisources taken over, because
outside
people simply fail to appreciate the reality of
wikiSOURCE, where the content already exists in
tangible form (with corresponding dialects and
orthographies already pre-determined for each
edition
of a text). Processing requests at meta has led
to
people being encouraged to start a new wikisource
for
a variation of a language without ever trying to
work
in the existing wiki (or even talking to them).
[1]
The people I have spoken to from incubator also
seem
unable to see the intrinsic differences between
a
wikisource and a wikipedia. From what I can see
they
are planning a one-size fits all process, with
no
differences in handling based on projects.
Despite
the fact that there are strong arguments for
having
one Wikisource where there are several Wikipedias
with
related languages. If plans have changed, or I
am
simply mistaken, please correct me.
[1]
The full page seems to have been lost on meta, so
I
linked one of my contributioins there
My propose is a attempt of a {{merge}} between the
current Wikisource
Multilingual policy + langcom policy + proposed
policies to the Wikisource
Multilingual [2].
The problem is the pun "Wikimedia" naming the
foundation. The press
generally ignores the others projects due to it.
Google and Yahoo! sometimes
aren't friendly with theirs search results for
non-Wikipedia projects,
specially for non-English languages. The Wikimedia
Foundation tries to do
attention to all projects, but sometimes Wikipedia
suck all of their energy
due to the media coverage to Wikipedia and the lack
of media coverage for
non-Wikipedia projets. The result: users with only
basic knowledge thinks
that Wiktionary is a mini-Wikipedia with the same
rules and needs, Wikibooks
is a Wikipedia for big articles and the Wikisource
is the big trashcan for
texts that newbies adds to the Wikipedia articles.
Moving the requests to the Meta-Wiki is IMHO the
best solution because:
* You don't need to someone remeber the existence of
a wiki that may have
requests for new languages placed on then, neither
to prays to someone check
that page/wiki regularly during the small amout of
seconds per month that
Wikipedia isn't sucking all attention
* You can simply vote as against on meta if no one
is placing text-units on
the correct place (specially if something on [2] may
give a chance to move
from proposal to policy)
* You stop the behaviour "let's go to the
[[:oldwikisource:]] only to vote
for new languages and to delete old stuff" specially
because you can vote as
against if no one is adding texts neither in the
right place neither in the
wrong place, again specially if something on [2]....
forcing to that wiki
having someone rather than Volapuk and India
national languages speakers
adding periodically new texts.
[1] -
http://s23.org/wikistats/wikipedias_html.php
[2] -
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