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Thomas Dalton

4 Jan 2009 4 Jan '09

4:18 p.m.

Standing orders work well for regular giving and membership fees, since the amounts do not need to vary.

They do, however, need to be set up by the donor, not us, which makes it less likely people will do so. They will have to do for now, though.

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Andrew Cates

5 Jan 5 Jan

10:01 p.m.

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>They do, however, need to be set up by the donor > which makes it less likely people will do so.

Damn right. SOs can only be set up online for people with some types of bank accounts. I haven't done a standing order in decades and the charity I work for doesn't solicit new ones cos they are too much hassle compared to a DD. To set up a SO for WPUK I would have to ring my own bank fight through a call centre and electronic tele-questionaire to get them to send me a form which I then have to complete with the WPUK details (which I have to find somewhere, not to mention finding a biro if I still own one) and then I have to find a stamp and find an envelop and walk to a postbox (GB has closed all the post offices round here but post boxes still exist and I guess they are emptied) to post back the form to the bank. Perhaps 30 minutes all told? To set up a DD I go on line with a sort code and bank account number, the bank address autocompletes on the form and it takes about 45 seconds. Perhaps I should post you a cheque and do a DD next year. Can you accept CAF cheques yet? Andrew

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David Gerard

10:10 p.m.

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2009/1/5 Andrew Cates <Andrew(a)soschildren.org>rg>:

>>They do, however, need to be set up by the donor >> which makes it less likely people will do so.

Damn right. SOs can only be set up online for people with some types of bank accounts. I haven't done a standing order in decades and the charity I work for doesn't solicit new ones cos they are too much hassle compared to a DD.

The other thing about standing orders is that being a push rather than a pull, the charity is stuck with that account to receive the money. Alison regaled WMUKv1 with horror stories of charities maintaining a string of old accounts because there were SOs dribbling into them ... - d.

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Gazimoff

11:10 p.m.

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You can't create a standing order online? I thought it was a standard feature. Gazimoff -----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Cates Sent: 05 January 2009 22:01 To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - a further update

>They do, however, need to be set up by the donor which makes it less >likely people will do so.

Damn right. SOs can only be set up online for people with some types of bank accounts. I haven't done a standing order in decades and the charity I work for doesn't solicit new ones cos they are too much hassle compared to a DD. To set up a SO for WPUK I would have to ring my own bank fight through a call centre and electronic tele-questionaire to get them to send me a form which I then have to complete with the WPUK details (which I have to find somewhere, not to mention finding a biro if I still own one) and then I have to find a stamp and find an envelop and walk to a postbox (GB has closed all the post offices round here but post boxes still exist and I guess they are emptied) to post back the form to the bank. Perhaps 30 minutes all told? To set up a DD I go on line with a sort code and bank account number, the bank address autocompletes on the form and it takes about 45 seconds. Perhaps I should post you a cheque and do a DD next year. Can you accept CAF cheques yet? Andrew _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

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Andrew Cates

6 Jan 6 Jan

8:35 p.m.

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You can't create a standing order online? I thought it was a standard feature.

I have been trying to find some stats on this amusing "thought" but every set of numbers is a slightly different thing (e.g. numbers of accounts versus numbers of people etc). AFAICT about 11m Brits use some sort of online bank account or bank account with online access. A few more may have and not use, and joint accounts muddies the numbers somewhat. So whether it is "cannot" or "will not" I don't know but online banking is only say a third of internet using adults in the UK. So about one in three surfers bank accounts seem to have your "standard feature". My bank account (which I opened 33 years ago) I cannot access online. If I wished to I would need to write to my bank to set this up (see early comments about walking to post boxes, finding envelopes etc) which I am unlikely to do just so I can so a standing order to WPUK. Especially as for anyone else I just enter my bank account into a PDQ approved website and it is done.

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Tom Holden

10:42 p.m.

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Andrew (C), we know Direct Debits are what we ultimately want, but whatever bank we were with we would still not be able to use them for at least a year, and not able to afford to use them for longer probably. In the meantime, I would expect a reasonable proportion of our users to have internet banking (since they're tech savvy etc.), and for those that don't there are other options. Paypal has (if I remember right) a regular payment option. Tom On 06/01/2009, Andrew Cates <Andrew(a)soschildren.org> wrote:

You can't create a standing order online? I thought it was a standard feature.

I have been trying to find some stats on this amusing "thought" but every set of numbers is a slightly different thing (e.g. numbers of accounts versus numbers of people etc). AFAICT about 11m Brits use some sort of online bank account or bank account with online access. A few more may have and not use, and joint accounts muddies the numbers somewhat. So whether it is "cannot" or "will not" I don't know but online banking is only say a third of internet using adults in the UK. So about one in three surfers bank accounts seem to have your "standard feature". My bank account (which I opened 33 years ago) I cannot access online. If I wished to I would need to write to my bank to set this up (see early comments about walking to post boxes, finding envelopes etc) which I am unlikely to do just so I can so a standing order to WPUK. Especially as for anyone else I just enter my bank account into a PDQ approved website and it is done. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

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Thomas Dalton

11:19 p.m.

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In the meantime, I would expect a reasonable proportion of our users to have internet banking (since they're tech savvy etc.), and for those that don't there are other options. Paypal has (if I remember right) a regular payment option.

We could also send out regular reminder emails on request containing advise of ways to donate (including a link to paypal).

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AndrewRT

7 Jan 7 Jan

9:32 p.m.

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On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, "Andrew Cates" <And...(a)soschildren.org> wrote:

... Can you accept CAF cheques yet?

I'm afraid not. Looking at the CAF guidelines here: http://www.cafonline.org/PDF/0650Z_pdfCollection_0708.pdf the charity must be registered with HMRC before they will pay out on any CAF cheques and it is likely to be mid to late February before that occurs. Please note also that membership subscriptions are not eligible for Gift Aid (as distinct from donations) and so we cannot accept CAF cheques for these. Regards, Andrew T

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Thomas Dalton

9:35 p.m.

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Please note also that membership subscriptions are not eligible for Gift Aid (as distinct from donations) and so we cannot accept CAF cheques for these.

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember reading the opposite on the HMRC website - I'll try and find it.

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Thomas Dalton

9:36 p.m.

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2009/1/7 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>om>:

Please note also that membership subscriptions are not eligible for Gift Aid (as distinct from donations) and so we cannot accept CAF cheques for these.

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember reading the opposite on the HMRC website - I'll try and find it.

Yep, seems I'm right: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift_aid/mem-subscript.htm

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AndrewRT

11 Jan 11 Jan

6:15 p.m.

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On Jan 7, 9:36 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dal...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember reading the opposite on the HMRC website - I'll try and find it.

Yep, seems I'm right:http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift_aid/mem-subscript.htm

I stand corrected! Thanks for putting me straight - and good news for the chapter which has just gained another source of income! Andrew

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