Even I have tried to reach them on all these
fronts and didn't work !
If the India chapter wants to help us on this, there is nothing more to
make a few like us very happy ! :)
Regards
Tinu Cherian
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Naveen Francis <naveenpf(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi
I have send a mail to them; as always no reply from them.
Posted the same request on the wall of Census2011
http://www.facebook.com/Census2011
If you have fb account try to convey the same message on facebook wall;
then they will notice and respond back if we are lucky.
It has worked for few sites .
till then let us use this pdf as the base.
Thanks,
Naveen Francis
On 8 June 2011 14:54, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:
> Hi Ravi:
>
> Personally, I am all for Fair Dealing/Use activism but the problem has
> been with the folk on Commons, no? That they keep deleting stuff?
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> ________
>
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>
>
>
> On 8 June 2011 14:51, Ravishankar <ravidreams(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sometime before, we used the word meanings from a technical glossary
>> provided by Tamil Virtual University for the Tamil Wiktionary project. Our
>> rational is that only the presentation can be copyrighted and not the word
>> or meaning. If the word or meaning itself is copyrighted, then there is no
>> point in providing that word itself. Two years later after this initiative,
>> we got the glossary donated to us formally. So, the copyright issue doesn't
>> arise any more.
>>
>> Most Governments and public institutions do mean to provide data for
>> public use though they are not aware of Wikipedia compatible license. We can
>> try contacting them and hope to get a favourable response. But, the legal
>> and bureaucratic hurdles need not stop us from delaying our initiatives for
>> too long. While I do understand the legal and philosophical significance of
>> proper license to publish things, sometimes we also need to be bold and use
>> things for larger good. Governments have many other jobs than suing us
>> everyday !
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Vickram, in my opinion and that of a friend, asking for a voluntary
>>> license (18,19,30A) along with the fact that it is a transformative
>>> use is probably the best bet. If not, fair dealing but that does
>>> leave
>>> us open to a legal challenge. Aside from this, there is the issue
>>> that
>>> even if we did get a license, we then do not have the ability to
>>> re-license it out under a CC-BY-SA license as required by Wikipedia
>>> and that would also run afoul of the fair dealing clause.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Gautam
>>> ________
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 June 2011 05:17, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna(a)radiophony.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Gautam John <
>>> gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 8 June 2011 01:03, Vickram Crishna
<vvcrishna(a)radiophony.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> My reading is that the Census Authority is very much a part of
>>> >> government. A question that I have been thinking about is whether
>>> >> census data (in the raw form and not the presentation) is capable
>>> of
>>> >> being copyrighted.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Aside from the supposition that the raw data is not in fact
>>> copyrightable in
>>> > the first place, which is probably true, even if never tested, the
>>> law
>>> > clearly provides for grant of permission for data to be represented
>>> in
>>> > another form, such as sound or visual forms. It seems clear that
>>> the
>>> > provisions of copyright (the sections are too tediously long and
>>> legally
>>> > worded to reproduce here) are precisely applicable only to the form
>>> in which
>>> > the information is presented by the author(s). Moreover, if the
>>> presentation
>>> > of census data as published by the CA is in fact taken to be a
>>> design form
>>> > as defined by the Design Act 1911 (but to be frank I haven't looked
>>> at what
>>> > that creature is), then the copyright ceases as soon as 50 copies
>>> are
>>> > circulated, which has obviously already happened if the data is
>>> online.
>>> > I believe that mapped data represents precisely such alternate
>>> forms,
>>> > especially if it is dynamically presented (but even if it is not).
>>> Making it
>>> > dynamic is of course a highly useful form, one that I do not
>>> believe the
>>> > census authority has yet conceived. The census authority cannot
>>> refuse
>>> > permission for such presentation. If they do not publish the
>>> information as
>>> > is planned by our colleagues, then their copyright effectively
>>> lapses in any
>>> > case, for which proof an advertisement saying that (ie that no
>>> mapped data
>>> > as has been proposed has been published) must be published in a
>>> popular
>>> > newspaper (in English newspaper, for English language mapping,
>>> vernacular
>>> > for vernacular mapping). Unfortunately, it says nothing (that I can
>>> find)
>>> > about a public announcement on the Net, so maybe this advertisement
>>> stuff in
>>> > newspapers is the only path.
>>> > It seems that one must apply in the prescribed form for licensing
>>> > permission, but also note that it is not possible to refuse
>>> permission for
>>> > such applications, if the end use is scientific research or
>>> educational, and
>>> > also for non-commercial purposes, provided the end use is in the
>>> form of a
>>> > translation. However, this permission is only automatic after 3 and
>>> 7 years
>>> > (subject to relevant conditions) from the date of first
>>> publication. Even
>>> > here, I put it that the date of first publication is the date when
>>> the first
>>> > Census was published, and not the current census. I think that
>>> would take it
>>> > back to the early 20th century, and perhaps that might also mean
>>> that the
>>> > government does not (heh, heh) in fact have the right to exclusive
>>> copyright
>>> > of census data (even for the 'upgraded' 60 year copyright).
>>> > The relevant clauses are:
>>> > 1. Specificity: Sec 14
>>> > 2. Design: Sec 15(2)
>>> > 3. Government ownership: Sec 17(d) and (dd)
>>> > 4. Compulsory licensing: Sec 31 (note that the RoC may assign some
>>> copyright
>>> > fee payable to the government, but prima facie it is unlikely they
>>> will do
>>> > so in this case)
>>> > 5. Automatic permission for translations etc: Sec 32 (sec 5(b)
>>> specifically
>>> > provides for 'broadcasting')
>>> > 6. Automatic permission for technical stuff: Sec 32A
>>> > 7. Right to broadcast: Sec 37 (worth checking!)
>>> > 8. Automatic visual recording for teaching: Sec 39
>>> > 9. Possible challenge to government copyright of census data: Sec
>>> 44
>>> > (register of copyrights: quite possible that the census information
>>> has not
>>> > been registered under the Act, and if so makes it impossible for
>>> the
>>> > government to take action against any form of infringement - sec
>>> 50A
>>> > provides for publication of registrations in the Gazette)
>>> > 10. Fair use: Sec 52 a(i) etc
>>> > --
>>> > Vickram
>>> > Fool On The Hill
>>> >
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