My understanding is that Wikimedia Cascada's existence is largely for the purpose of
coordinating and supporting activities that will happen within its boarders. It is not
formed for the purpose of "representing" all Wikimedians within a geographic
area.
That said, I invite you to bring up this issue for discussion on the Meta talk page so
that there's opportunity for broader participation. (:
Pine
From: jamesofur(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:52:38 -0800
To: wikimedia-sf(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-SF] WM Cascadia chapter discussion tonight
To be honest, at some level, yes If I lived in Vancouver and most of WM-Canada's work
and board meetings wtc were centered in Toronto I would have zero interest in joining and
would generally object to them claiming to represent me as an editor within their borders.
I would also object to them having exclusive rights to use the name in those borders. The
same is not necessarily true for say me living in Edinburgh and going to occasionally
going to WMUK meetings in London given that it's 1/4 the distance. I'd probably
still object to them representing me as an editor especially if I wasn't a member but
that's a completely different issue since I don't think chapters should ever be
about 'representation' .
I'm a strong advocate for the benefit of subnational chapters especially in larger
countries, I think places like WMNYC and WMDC are better overall for the movement and
those around them. I think that's especially true in the US where we've already
started having sub national chapters. I'd be fine with a CA chapter (or an OR one and
possibly if enough from both OR and WA wanted to merge or something like that but I
don't think it's that necessary ). I'd be even more fine with a norcal/SF
based or socal/LA based chapter if there was a need. That's another important point,
we create incorporated orgs like crazy for some reason when they are frequently going to
be just fine as a user group especially now that we have user groups being created as
examples in the Mediawiki user groups. We now have a process to use the marks and the
names etc without incorporating, incorporating costs not insignificant money time and
resources every year before it does any good and should not be done until it's
necessary.
I know that this is billed as a 'larger chapter that can break down into smaller
chapters if people want' but I don't think that's very fair. I think it
inhibits the growth of smaller chapters (which I think are better) and it will end up
requiring the larger chapter to approve the fork/new chapter which should in no way be the
case.
James
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm.
Steven, we have Wikimedia Canada, which is larger than Cascadia and includes multiple
provinces. If the Chapters Committee approved Wikimedia Canada then I'm not sure how
they could cite geography as a reason against a Wikimedia Cascadia with the exception of
overlap into another nation's territory.
James, would you also have opposed Wikimedia Canada on the same grounds that you cite
here?
Thanks,
Pine
From: jamesofur(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:59:41 -0800
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-SF] WM Cascadia chapter discussion tonight
To: wikimedia-sf(a)lists.wikimedia.org
CC: deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com
Also not totally sure If I'll be able to make it or not but have generally made my
belief known that broad spanding chapters like this are not a good idea overall. In
addition to the concerns from Steven below I just think that the requirements and desires
of groups in Alaska, Oregon, California etc are too different. Yes I know that there are
large countries with single chapters but even there the work is really generally
segregated to one area of the country and not the whole place. I would be strongly against
a chapter this big but a user group of people interested is <shrugs> fine.
James
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Tonight in #wikimedia-us at 6 PM Pacific will be the next Wikimedia US meeting. Included
on the agenda is discussion of the proposed Wikimedia Cascadia chapter.
Possible geography for the Chapter includes California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho,
Montana, and Alaska until such time as some of these areas have more localized chapters.
Also under discussion is asking WM-Canada to share British Columbia with WM-Cascadia.
Please join the discussion in #wikimedia-us,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Cascadia, and/or
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Cascadia.
Anyone who is interested in discussing a potential chapter that would include the Bay
area, please join the discussion!
Pine
I may not be able to make it, but wanted to express interest and bring up one point of
discussion...
In the past, I have informally asked Chapter Committee members about the possibility of a
chapter like this. I was told with no equivocation that chapters which officially spanned
multiple municipalities were forbidden, and that we could have a Wikimedia Oregon,
Washington, or California only because we would have to pick a state in which to become
officially incorporated in and be responsible for.
My suggestion would be to avoid seeking official chapter status, and instead form a group
like Wikimedia Cascadia as a user group or thematic organization.
Steven
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