Lodewijk -Thanks for your suggestion. We would totally agree!
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:53 PM, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the update!
I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
John
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara <jbarbara(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding
the situation in Turkey.
As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia
Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community
Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to
Wikimedia-l sooner.
We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the
meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the
following short statement, which we shared with the Communications
Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been
blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and
valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of
languages,
written by volunteers around the world. We are
committed to ensuring that
Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in
Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek
judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope
the
issue can be resolved promptly."
We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for
your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple
places.
If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact
press(a)wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we
believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of
Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
Thank you!
Juliet
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy
Cheers,
P
-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the
implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > James
> > >
> > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism,
then
> > > your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are
> > > specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for
"us".
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do
not
> > support
> > > > terrorism."
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with.
WhiIe
> > > > > left it
> > > is
> > > > > very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
> > > > contradiction, I
> > > > > think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
> > > information.
> > > > > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
> > encourages
> > > > > certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information
> > > > > with
> > the
> > > > > goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
> > > neutral,
> > > > > reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't
> > > > > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face
absurd,
> > > > > that we
> > > clearly
> > > > > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions
> > > > > both
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone
who
> > doubts
> > > > > this to read our articles on the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman"
<jmh649(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are
not
> > > impartial
> > > > > to
> > > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression
of
> > freedom
> > > > of
> > > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state
that
> > > > > > we as
> > a
> > > > > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_
Turkey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > > > > richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia
is
> > impartial,
> > > > or
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a
threat
> > > > > > > to
> > > some,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which
are
not
> > > > carefully
> > > > > > > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes
can
> > > > > > > easily
> > > be
> > > > > > pushed
> > > > > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"
<galaver(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending
tweets and
> > > > > > > > e-mails
> > to
> > > > our
> > > > > > > local
> > > > > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who
speaks
> > turkish
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted
#WikipediaSansürlendi
> > > > > > > > but
> > > maybe
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <
wing.philopp(a)gmx.de
>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters
*must* make a
> > statement
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the
block: That
> > Wikipedia
> > > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in
the
statement
> > which
> > > > > > stresses
> > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to
spread
> > > > > > > > > knowledge, but
> > > the
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > most important statement is to contradict
the
accusation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would
immediately
recognize
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national
newspapers
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > broadcasts
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in
Deutschland Funk
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/
dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h
> > > > > > > > > tml
> > )
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > event,
> > > > > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but
always also
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > reaction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ting
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik -
Wikimedia
Israel:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Hey,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 |
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single
human being can
> > > > > > > > >> freely
> > > > share
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our
commitment!
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik(a)wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > > > > >>
Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities
block Wikipedia
> > > > > > > > >> To: Communications Committee
> > > > > > > > >> <wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes
ago, so it
> > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > soon
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > >> the news.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> ---
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside
the country to
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > online
> > > > > > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the
world's most
> > > > > > > > >> popular
> > > > > websites.*
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban
had been
imposed.
> > > > > > > > >>
The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible
> > > > > > > > >> from
> > > > 08:00
> > > > > > > (05:00
> > > > > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish
authorities.
> > > > > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were
unable to access
> > > > > > > > >> any
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > > pages
> > > > > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network
(VPN).
> > > > > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal
consideration
based
> > > > > > > > >>
on
> > the
> > > > Law
> > > > > > Nr.
> > > > > > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been
taken for
this
> > > > website,"
> > > > > > > > Turkey's
> > > > > > > > >> Information and Communication
Technologies Authority
> > > > > > > > >> was
> > > quoted
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > saying.
> > > > > > > > >> No reason was given.
> > > > > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media,
including the
Hurriyet
> > Daily
> > > > > News,
> > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be
backed by a
full
>
court
> > > > ruling
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> next few days.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban
emerged,
> > > > > > > >> with
> > some
> > > > > users
> > > > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to
suppress
> > > > > > > >> criticism on
> > > > > President
> > > > > > > >> Recep
> > > > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16
April
> > > > > > > >> referendum
> on
> > > > > > > increasing
> > > > > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided
the
country.
> > > > > > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular
social media
> > > > > > > > >> sites
> > > > > including
> > > > > > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past,
especially in the
> > > > > > > > >> wake of
> > > mass
> > > > > > > > protests
> > > > > > > > >> or terror attacks.
> > > > > > > > >> The government has previously denied
censoring the
> > > > > > > > >> internet,
> > > > > blaming
> > > > > > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major
events.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > > > >> +972-54-5878078
<+972%2054-587-8078> |
> > > > >
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single
human being can
> > > > > > > > >> freely
> > > > share
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our
commitment!
> > > > > > > > >>
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