James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then
"we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to
"We do not support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I
have trouble with. WhiIe left it is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide
information, neutral information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother
encourage anyone who doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you
mean. We are not impartial
to
> everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
of
> information. I think it is also perfectly
fine to state that we as a
> movement oppose terrorism.
>
> Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
>
> James
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
or
at
> least substantially so. This impartiality
may be a threat to some,
but
> it
> > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
> > thought through. Those who support
repressive regimes can easily be
> pushed
> > into an absolutist mindset.
> >
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" <galaver(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > >
> > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
our
> > local
> > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
can
> >
support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
is
> > incorrect.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>de>:
> >
> > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
that
> >
decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
> > terrorism. There could be further texts
in the statement which
stresses
> our
> > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
first
> and
> > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> >
> > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
> it
> > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
> > are
> > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > >
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
this
> > > event,
> > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Ting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey,
> > > >>
> > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > >> +972-54-5878078 |
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
> > the
> > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <itzik(a)wikimedia.org.il>
> > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > >> To: Communications Committee <wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > >>
> > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
all
> > over
> > >> the news.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online
> > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
> > > >>
> > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed.
> > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
> > (05:00
> > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
> > pages
> > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on
the
Law
> Nr.
> > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> > > Turkey's
> > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted
as
> >
saying.
> > >> No reason was given.
> > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily
News,
> said
> > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
> >> the
> >> next few days.
> >>
> >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
> >> speculating that it might be a bid
to suppress criticism on
President
> > >> Recep
> > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
> > increasing
> > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
> > >> Facebook and Twitter in the
past, especially in the wake of mass
> > protests
> > >> or terror attacks.
> > >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
> > >> outages on spikes in usage
after major events.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
> the
> >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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