Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the
implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on
meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonfors(a)gmail.com> wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your
statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then
"we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> @ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy
to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
> think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
> > Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
> > certain forms of behaviour. But if we
provided the information with
the
> goal
of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
> reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such
goal.
>
> Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support
> terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
> > document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
> the
> > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
> this
to read our articles on the subject.
>
> On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
> > to
> > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
> of
> > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
a
> > > movement oppose terrorism.
> > >
> > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
> > >
> > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
> > > richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
> at
> > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to
some,
but
> it
> > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
> > > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily
be
> > > pushed
> > > > into an absolutist mindset.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez"
<galaver(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement
> > > > >
> > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails
to
> our
> > > > local
> > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
maybe
> > is
> > > > > incorrect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen
<wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>de>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
> > that
> > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
> > > supports
> > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
> >
stresses
> > > > our
> > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
the
> > > first
> > > > > and
> > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize
how
> > > important
> > > > it
> > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
> > broadcasts
> > > > are
> > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk
> > > > > >
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html
)
this
> > > event,
> > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Ting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey,
> > > >>
> > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > >> +972-54-5878078 |
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
<itzik(a)wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
> > > > >> To: Communications Committee
<wmfcc-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be
soon
> all
> > > > over
> > > > >> the news.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the
online
> > > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most
popular
> > websites.*
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been
imposed.
> > > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible
from
> 08:00
> > > > (05:00
> > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
> > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access
any
> Wikipedia
> > > > pages
> > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
> > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration
based on
the
Law
> Nr.
> > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> > > > Turkey's
> > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was
quoted
> as
> > > > > saying.
> > > > > >> No reason was given.
> > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
> > News,
> > > > said
> > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
>
ruling
> > > in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> next few days.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with
some
> > > users
> > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress
criticism on
> > > President
> > > > > >> Recep
> > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page.
> > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April
referendum
on
> >
> > increasing
> > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
> > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
> including
> > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of
mass
> > > > > protests
> > > > > >> or terror attacks.
> > > > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the
internet,
> > blaming
> > > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> >
http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can
freely
> share
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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