Austin Hair wrote:
I'm not sure why you created this thread, Maysara,
since you acknowledge
that there's no chance of the venue being moved to another
country at this
point in time. You're also responsible for over a
quarter of the posts in it,
I created this thread because I think this is an important issue to be
addressed. And i do believe that there is and should be a chance at least to
discuss whether the venue should be moved to another country, and that it
should in fact be moved to another country (there is still one year ahead).
And i think we need to do this again now because, with all due respect,
people like you who were involved in the initial decision making process
made mistakes big enough to justify a serious reconsideration. By the way,
did you ever gave a justification as to why, although you knew about all
these obstacles, you continued to believe that Haifa should be chosen? In my
opinion which i stated above, there are no valid justifications to the
current situation; it's absolutely unnecessary and avoidable. Finally i am
responsible for over a quarter of the posts in this thread because it is me
who brought this issue up, and because i am committed to answer every new
argument brought through by the dialogue and discussion (for example, the
way i am answering your insignificant point now, about me being responsible
for over a quarter of the posts in this thread! and so on!!) And i praise
Maysara for doing that! And not just for that, but also for keeping to
consistency, integrity, truthfulness, sense of purpose, self-control and
self-confidence, despite of the fact that, at least in this forum, I stand
alone in defense of my argument and reasoning.
Your argument against Israel seems to hinge on visa
difficulties,
That is not true; visa difficulties is only a minor part of the problem. My
problem is: why to ignore and deny those whom *WE ALREADY KNOW* cannot have
an Israeli visa to participate in wikimania conference. I hold to this
argument not against Israel, but in principle of fairness and right of all
to attend and come to participation. Therefore I am convinced that my
argument should be adopted even by Israelis, as long as they believe in that
simple and basic principle: attendance *possible* for all(.) Many of you
brought the issue of difficulties as being a fact of life, and existent
every where. This is true, if a difficulty exists everywhere, then we can
consider it to be a fact of life, or even deal with it as though
non-existent (applying for a visa in the first place can be thus considered,
regardless of to where). But the situation currently discussed in relation
to Israel, is *not* a fact of life, does not exist everywhere, and involve
the qualities of social prejudice, discrimination, and hostility. Again, it
is an erroneous condition that we should find reason to evade. Those who
will be negatively effected by that condition are being done wrong, not
because it was an unavoidable condition, and not because no one had any
control over changing it. They will be done wrong because everyone
responsible to undertake the correction, or to demand such correction, did
nothing or even opposed it.
You're entitled to your opinion, and our
respective politics regarding
Israel are obviously different.
I never spoke with view to politics thus far, and i don't think i will ever
do, although i have much to say.
--
Maysara
"All that is necessary to right action, is right judgment." _Rene Descartes