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Maarten Dammers

18 Sep 2011 18 Sep '11

9:22 p.m.

Hi everyone, Did anyone already make a tool to show all images of a certain monument? Monument database + https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Category:Cultural_herit… + maybe some caching should make this pretty straightforward to implement. Would be nice to have it as part of the monuments api. Other tools could use this to dynamically show photos of a certain monument. Maarten

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Strainu

18 Sep 18 Sep

9:25 p.m.

2011/9/19 Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>nl>:

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France has done something like this, although I don't know if it was manual labor or a program: http://wlm-france.tumblr.com/post/10077369996/quelques-chiffres-apres-10-jo…

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Yaroslav M. Blanter

9:34 p.m.

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Hi everyone, Did anyone already make a tool to show all images of a certain monument?

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Monument database +

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Category:Cultural_herit…

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+ maybe some caching should make this pretty straightforward to implement. Would be nice to have it as part of the monuments api. Other tools could use this to dynamically show photos of a certain monument. Maarten

Obviously we need such a tool, but in the end I think we should aim at having categories for monuments with more than one image. Cheers Yaroslav

Nuno Tavares

10:12 p.m.

Yes, next year that kind of information should co-exist in the database. If you notice on our verification tool, we test if there is such a category so we can place it there instead. Otherwise it gets categorized in "Churches in district of xxxx", "district of xxxx" etc -NT On 18-09-2011 22:34, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:

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Hi everyone, Did anyone already make a tool to show all images of a certain monument?

Monument database +

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Category:Cultural_herit…

Obviously we need such a tool, but in the end I think we should aim at having categories for monuments with more than one image. Cheers Yaroslav _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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Yaroslav M. Blanter

19 Sep 19 Sep

5:49 a.m.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:12:35 +0100, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> wrote:

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in "Churches in district of xxxx", "district of xxxx" etc -NT

I do not mean necessarily creating these categories in advance. What I mean is that if more than one photo of a monument X have been uploaded, it is an obvious candidate for creation of a category "Monument X". If we have say more than 5 pictures of a monument, and the category has not been yet created (do we have such cases?), the creation should be a high priority. If someone can compile the list of the monuments with 5 pictures and more without a separate category on Commons I volunteer to create the categories. I am not sure though whether it is easy to identify authomatically whether such category exists. Cheers Yaroslav

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On 18-09-2011 22:34, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Did anyone already make a tool to show all images of a certain

monument?

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> >> Monument database + >> >

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Category:Cultural_herit…

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>> >> + maybe some caching should make this pretty straightforward to >> implement. Would be nice to have it as part of the monuments api.

Other

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>> tools could use this to dynamically show photos of a certain monument. >> >> Maarten >> > > Obviously we need such a tool, but in the end I think we should aim at > having categories for monuments with more than one image. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >

Nuno Tavares

9:24 a.m.

Well, we were lucky because those categories were already marked with an authority ID (which matches closely our WLM ID). I suggest you always create such categories with a correlation ID, so you can grab them back later. You can also search for images using a specific template (which we also had) to determine the categories being used. -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt Em 19-09-2011 06:49, Yaroslav M. Blanter escreveu:

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ave say more than 5 pictures of a monument, and the category has not been yet

Yaroslav M. Blanter

9:43 a.m.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:24:15 +0100, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> wrote:

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I am sorry, apparently I misunderstand smth. Let me give an example. I uploaded yesterday this file: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Middelburg_Lange_Noordstraat23.jpg It is included in the categories on Commons which were automatically produced by the WLM template or by other templates present. All of them are hidden. * Rijksmonumenten with known IDs * Media with locations * CC-BY-SA-3.0-NL * Self-published work * Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 * Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2011 in the Netherlands * Uploaded with UploadWizard On top of that, when I was uploading the file, I added one more category: * Rijksmonumenten in Middelburg (otherwise the file would be included in the default category Rijksmonumenten in the Netherlands). This category is not hidden and is included into a number of other categories, including Middelburg. I know that the same monument has at least two other images, and I only know it because I uploaded them myself: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Middelburg_Lange_Noordstraat23_Right… and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Middelburg_Lange_Noordstraat23_Left.… In my opinion, this justifies the creation of the category smth like Lange Nordstraat 23, Middelburg (or Rijksmonument 29175, which is the same), which I will create in October, once the uploading rush is over. However, I have no idea whether anybody else uploaded images of the same building, because they would need to land in the same category. (It could also have happened that these images do not even have a monument ID template, but this is a different story whatsoever). The question in my prospective was whether we have a tool which would able to tell me that (i) there are multiple images of RM 29175, located at Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg, and (ii) there is no category Lange Nordstraat 23, Middelburg or equivalent. I am not sure though such a tool could be created. May be (i) can be done by bot and (ii) then manually. Cheers Yaroslav

Lodewijk

9:48 a.m.

Hi Yaroslav, I think that expanding the image tree makes a lot of sense. However, perhaps it makes more sense to expand from Buildings in Middelburg - then to streets - then to houses. It would make more sense to me to have a category "Buildings in Middelburg", "Buildings in Lange Noordstraat, Middelburg" and then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities, you might want to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a category (both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more experienced Commons user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling would be that we would only create categories for five or more images, but I can be wrong there. Lodewijk Am 19 de Setembro de 2011 11:43 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter < putevod(a)mccme.ru>gt;:

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:24:15 +0100, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> wrote:

Yaroslav M. Blanter

9:57 a.m.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:48:36 +0200, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:

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and

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then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities, you might

want

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to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a

category

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(both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more experienced Commons user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling would be that

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would only create categories for five or more images, but I can be wrong there. Lodewijk

Bas vb

10:14 a.m.

I believe a/the bot automatically puts the pictures per city which are now in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten unless there's no ID present. Mvg, Bas

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To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:57:00 +0400 From: putevod(a)mccme.ru Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] All images of a monument On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:48:36 +0200, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:

and

then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities, you might

want

to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a

category

(both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more experienced Commons user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling would be that

would only create categories for five or more images, but I can be wrong there. Lodewijk

I perfectly agree with everything you write, and five images was also my personal suggestion for the threshold (I believe some exceptions can be make for somehow famous buildings). Right now we have most of the images sitting just in general categories "RM in the Netherlands" or at best "RM in city X". There is a lot of work ahead of us to categorize them also along usual lines like towns -> streets -> buildings. Cheers Yaroslav _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Maarten Dammers

6:30 p.m.

That is correct! I still have to expand tha bot to work for other countries....... Maarten Op 19 sep 2011 om 12:14 heeft Bas vb <bas_v_b(a)hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:\

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I believe a/the bot automatically puts the pictures per city which are now in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Category:Rijksmonumenten unless there's no ID present. Mvg, Bas

However,

> perhaps > it makes more sense to expand from Buildings in Middelburg -

then to

> streets > - then to houses. It would make more sense to me to have a

category

> "Buildings in Middelburg", "Buildings in Lange Noordstraat,

Middelburg"

and > then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities, you

might

want

to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a

category > (both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more experienced

Commons

> user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling would

be that

we > would only create categories for five or more images, but I can

be wrong

there. Lodewijk

I perfectly agree with everything you write, and five images was

also my

personal suggestion for the threshold (I believe some exceptions

can be

make for somehow famous buildings). Right now we have most of the

images

sitting just in general categories "RM in the Netherlands" or at

best "RM

in city X". There is a lot of work ahead of us to categorize them

also

along usual lines like towns -> streets -> buildings. Cheers Yaroslav _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

André Costa

22 Sep 22 Sep

10:24 a.m.

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That is correct! I still have to expand tha bot to work for other countries....... Maarten Op 19 sep 2011 om 12:14 heeft Bas vb <bas_v_b(a)hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:\ I believe a/the bot automatically puts the pictures per city which are now in <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten unless there's no ID present. Mvg, Bas

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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:57:00 +0400 From: <putevod@mccme.ru>putevod@mccme.ru Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] All images of a monument On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:48:36 +0200, Lodewijk <

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wrote:

and

then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities, you might

want

to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a

category > (both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more experienced

Commons

user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling would be that

we > would only create categories for five or more images, but I can be

wrong

there. Lodewijk

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Nuno Tavares

11:12 a.m.

I agree. I'd actually extend the model a bit. This is ours, and what allows us to do: 1) monuments table - it is compatible with monuments_all/monuments_pt(pt) 2) objlinks - it has the wiki links we parsed from the object descriptions (name field in monuments_all) - this allows us to rebuild the lists preserving wiki links; 3) extinfo - extended info: coordinate sources, multiple systems external ids (IGESPAR vs. SIPA), image count and image lists (for an object) and, obviously, the commons category. In the end, we will be able to measure our progress, as you see it at: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats/plataforma.php?&lang=en I believe this will be a lot of help in further WLM / Heritage projects as well as interconnect our partners with the outcomes of this experience. -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt Em 22-09-2011 11:24, André Costa escreveu:

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Might it be worth adding a commons category to the Monuments database (via the structured lists)? It's probably more relevant than the one image that has been chosen for the image parameter. Andre/ Lokal_Profil On 19 September 2011 19:30, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl <mailto:maarten@mdammers.nl>> wrote: That is correct! I still have to expand tha bot to work for other countries....... Maarten Op 19 sep 2011 om 12:14 heeft Bas vb <bas_v_b(a)hotmail.com <mailto:bas_v_b@hotmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:\

I believe a/the bot automatically puts the pictures per city which are now in <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten unless there's no ID present. Mvg, Bas

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Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] All images of a monument On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:48:36 +0200, Lodewijk

<lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>>

wrote: > Hi Yaroslav, > > I think that expanding the image tree makes a lot of sense.

However,

> perhaps > it makes more sense to expand from Buildings in Middelburg -

then to

> streets > - then to houses. It would make more sense to me to have a

category

> "Buildings in Middelburg", "Buildings in Lange Noordstraat,

Middelburg"

and > then "Lange Noordstraat 23, Middelburg". In very big cities,

you might

want

to add a layer of city-areas (in Amsterdam for example). However, I don't know what would be a useful threshold to create a

category > (both for streets and per building) - perhaps a more

experienced Commons

> user can make a useful suggestion to that. My gut feeling

would be that

we > would only create categories for five or more images, but I

can be wrong

there. Lodewijk

I perfectly agree with everything you write, and five images was

also my

personal suggestion for the threshold (I believe some exceptions

can be

make for somehow famous buildings). Right now we have most of

the images

sitting just in general categories "RM in the Netherlands" or at

best "RM

in city X". There is a lot of work ahead of us to categorize

them also

along usual lines like towns -> streets -> buildings. Cheers Yaroslav _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list

<mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>

<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments>https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments

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Nuno Tavares

19 Sep 19 Sep

10:53 a.m.

Yes, and I'm telling you that our tool does that, with a previous amount of work (before WLM started). -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt Em 19-09-2011 10:43, Yaroslav M. Blanter escreveu:

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:24:15 +0100, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> wrote:

Romaine Wiki

1:09 a.m.

Hello, I have seen many monuments without an identifier, because they were uploaded earlier and aren't added to the list. Greetings - Romaine --- On Sun, 9/18/11, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> wrote:

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From: Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] All images of a monument To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 9:22 PM Hi everyone, Did anyone already make a tool to show all images of a certain monument? Monument database + https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Category:Cultural_herit… + maybe some caching should make this pretty straightforward to implement. Would be nice to have it as part of the monuments api. Other tools could use this to dynamically show photos of a certain monument. Maarten _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

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