Dear all,
I lack the technical background to comment on the discussion below. I
just want to say this: I am frankly not so much concerned about which
flag is placed where, or which country is mentioned where. I am only
concerned that I get a lot of complains from Armenian participants of
the contest, who see their photos appear in the wlm.az category rather
than wlm.am (at the result of manual change of templates in their photos).
Just to make clear why this bothers them. It is technically impossible
for people who live in Armenia or Nagorno-Karabakh to travel to
Azerbaijan (let's say in case they become winners of wlm.az). (There are
other issues as well, for instance, wlm.az seems to have only included
the monuments of one city
<https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Viki_Abid%C9%99l%C9%99ri_Sevir_2013/Abid%C9%99l%C9%99rin_siyah%C4%B1s%C4%B1/%C5%9Eu%C5%9Fa>
of Nagorno-Karabakh, while wlm.am included 4 provinces
<https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BC%D5%82%D5%80_%D5%BA%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B4%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%A9%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%B6_%D6%87_%D5%B4%D5%B7%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B5%D5%A9%D5%AB_%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B7%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%AA_%D5%B0%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B7%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%B1%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%AB_%D6%81%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%AF>).
This means that they are practically excluded from the contest (they
have no chances to win). So, I suggest, that we, the WLM community, make
a decision on how to solve this.
I personally can think of two options:
* We don't allow anyone to manually add templates to WLM images, at
least until 30 September
* We allow users to add only an alternative template which will not
change hidden categories or any other metadata (I mean an alternative
template of {{Cultural Heritage Azerbaijan}}).
Please let us know if you can think of anything else.
Vacio
On 09/17/13 01:37 , Platonides wrote:
On 16/09/13 16:35, Aleksey Chalabyan wrote:
Dear all, and especially those who provide us
with tools for running WLM
contest.
If on same page we have 2 templates, from different country contest,
with different ID, do you think scripts/bot may run into issue?
Will those tools successfully process both of templates, assign
necessary categories, show up correctly in counters, voting tools, etc?
Example of such image is:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D4%B1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B…
Thanks beforehand,
Xelgen
The tools at
http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/ will consider
only the first template.
Last year the database was designed to support a second country, but
it was so exceptional that it wasn't implemented. I think we
identified a single case of multicountry monumentness before the
contest, plus perhaps a couple more found later for some rivers.
I can easily add detection of multiple countries, the trickiness
starts when querying it, which not only results in more complex checks
for the database, but it's not even clear how it should be defined:
What should be the answer for "How many images have am and az
together?" Should Ամարասի_վանք,_վանքային_համալիր_....jpg be counted
once (as for "How many images are in total?") or be the sum of images
of both countries?
How to count the number of countries in which a user did photos, etc.
If the problem is limited to monuments in Azerbaijan and Armenia
contests, it may be simpler for the bot to detect that case and
internally map those images to an am+az pseudo-country.
PS: I agree with Multichill, renaming a monument template (or adding
new variants such as redirects to it) will make the bot to suddenly
not detect the monument identifier.
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