Google search put first the sites with more clicks and higher PageRank.
--
Alvaro
On 13-01-2009, at 5:53, "White Cat" <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
One side of the issue is aggressively mass removing
articles without
backing
such an act with consensus of any kind. When that happens the other
side
does not even think of compromising. The opposing side pushes back
with
equal aggression. This kind of aggressive conflict between any two
sides
disrupts the entire site. This is what's happening. That is the
outstanding
problem at this point. It isn't the only outstanding problem but is
the
first one that needs to be addressed for us to work on a consensus
everyone
can agree on. Do we all agree thus far? Because neither one of you
have said
so. I apologize if I missed any remarks establishing this.
As for your other point... Just how do you think Google ranks their
search
results? Google's search results establish the "prime time" articles.
Consider "Beowulf"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Beowulf+site:en.wikipedia.org&…
As you can see the historic article (Old English heroic epic poem)
is #1.
2007 movie comes as #2. The computer clusters of NASA comes #3.
Mind that #1 and #2 are fiction related topics and #3 is a real
world topic.
In this case the fiction related work is more popular/notable than
the real
world topic.
Consider "Enterprise"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Enterprise+site:en.wi…
#1 and #3 is a fiction related.
The real world ships (OV-101 & CVN-65) called Enterprise come before
the
fictional ship (NCC-1701). CV-6 comes as the 20th hit.
Consider "Voyager"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Voyager+site:en.wikip…
#1 is the fictional series and other 18 hits are not even fiction
related. The fictional ship USS voyager comes up in the next page at
#21.
Consider "Zero"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Zero+site:en.wikipedi…
#1 is 0 (number) in mathematics - a real world topic to say the
least. #2
is A6M Zero, the Japanese fighter aircraft in WW2. #3 is the fictional
character. #4 is a real world topic (chemistry). And the remaining
topics
are either disambiguation or real world related articles.
Of course when I do a search on "Naruto"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+site:en.wikipe…
I get 19 hits on fiction related topics. Even then the 20th is a
real world
topic!
So where exactly is the Google ranking inadequate or unfair? Mind
that I
made no effort to "hide" fiction related topics in the search urls I
posted
so far.
Had I searched for "Naruto -anime"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+site:en…
I get 18 real world topics. With the use of a few more words.
Consider "Naruto -anime -manga -episodes -user -Wikipedia:featured"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+-manga+…
"Wikipedia:featured"+site:en.wikipedia.org&btnG=Search<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+-anime+-manga+-episodes+-user+-
I can effectively remove fiction related hits on my search results.
Or... I
could use smarter search words to get what I am looking for.
Consider: "Naruto University"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Naruto+University+sit…
All it takes is the use of one extra word to eliminate nearly all
fiction
related topics. Naruto is among our top 20 most visited articles
each month.
Even so that doesn't get in the way if you are smart about it.
So please tell me what exactly is the problem with fiction related
articles
as a whole?
- White Cat
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, <WJhonson(a)aol.com> wrote:
> You are not understanding White Cat what the person means by ranking.
>
> That there would be a "prime time" Wikipedia, which any reader can
> find,
> and
> then a "sub-surface" Wikipedia for all the articles not deemed
> ready to go
> to prime time.
>
> These sub-surface articles would not be googleable let's say, so
> reader
> wouldn't get side-tracked into thinking they are "acceptable" in the
> mainstream,
> but they would be present for people already in-world to read and
> edit.
>
> It seems like a simple way to satisfy both sides of the issue here.
>
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