<<From: White Cat &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; I am sorry I still do not get it. 1) Is your proposal going to completely hide "unfinished" articles from the public? If so who will be able to see them? Admins? Users?>> To hide those articles which are unfinished, or which the community has decided are unfinished. So the AfD process becomes simply the "Hide It process" much less contentious. <<2) How would you decide which article is ready for public consumption or not? A process like "requests for publishing"?>> Everything gets published as normal, until someone flags it and then you would have a process just like AfD, except the end result would simply be to hide it, not delete it. <<3) Isn't your proposal hiding all stubs as well as some other articles? After all no stub by very definition is ready for "public consumption".>> No. It has nothing to do with stubs or non-stubs. Stubs are published today, and they would be published tomorrow. The only thing this does is provide a way for AfD to turn into something with less conflict. <<4) I am not "ready to accept" anything I am forced to accept. Your tone implies I have no other choice to either accept your proposal or mass deletions. Mass deletion itself has no consensus behind it and is disruptive.>> You always have a choice. When you are going 60 mph toward a lake and need to turn either left or right, you have to decide fairly quickly to avoid a more perilous result. <<5) You seem to have a workable idea but perhaps need to organize thoughts a bit.>> Thank you. A sentiment reflected by countless others before you. Will Johnson _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

I am sorry I still do not get it. 1) Is your proposal going to completely hide "unfinished" articles from the public? If so who will be able to see them? Admins? Users?>> To hide those articles which are unfinished, or which the community has decided are unfinished. So the AfD process becomes simply the "Hide It process" much less contentious.

<<3) Isn't your proposal hiding all stubs as well as some other articles? After all no stub by very definition is ready for "public consumption".>> No. It has nothing to do with stubs or non-stubs. Stubs are published today, and they would be published tomorrow. The only thing this does is provide a way for AfD to turn into something with less conflict.

I would assume such a system would just create a "non-published" namespace that articles would sit in... And software changes could be made to change red links that point to where the article should be in main space a different color and point them at the "non-published" space. In short readers, users etc could all see them, jush google would not index them. The benefit of the system as stated is users and readers would know by clicking on the non blue links that these articles are still "in the works". Such a system would work decently well if moving from one space to the other could be done by any registered user... Sorta like moves are done today. Please note that I am not advocating this, but I think tossing around alternate ideas can't hurt. This idea I think defines a decent answer to your question, feel free to change it around or attack it all you like, just be constructive about it. On 1/14/09, Ken Arromdee &lt;arromdee(a)rahul.net&gt; wrote: it? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 wjhonson(a)aol.com wrote: You didn't answer the question about who gets to see them. Given most possible answers to this question, it'll just end up being the same as AFD. After all, right now an admin can see a deleted article. Well, is it about hiding articles ready for public consumption, or isn't

If it is, stubs get hidden. If it's not, you shouldn't say it is. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l