Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I meant "add automatically the
transliteration", not replace the name.
This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally
the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
official name.
2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Hoi,
> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceolaire(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>> qualifier.
>>
>> Joe
>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <
>>> thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course
>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
treatment
>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire
<filceolaire(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for
>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items
for
>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener"
<leon.liesener(a)wikipedia.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for
>>>>>> language-independent
>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are
>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense
really.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you
>>>>>> get is
>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to
Latin
>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian
>>>>>> interface
>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>gt;:
>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard
</grin>
>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <
>>>>>> putevod(a)mccme.ru> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should
follow any
>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of
Russian is
>>>>>> not for the
>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers
of
>>>>>> English.
>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When
NYT
>>>>>> writes about a
>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the
English
>>>>>> Wikipedia
>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use
ISO
>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about
me?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>> >>
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