I've been looking to implement edit type modeling in ORES. You could use
something like this to build a profile on each editor by what types of work
they generally do on articles. Right now, this has been deprioritized, but
I've got some interested from Wikimedia Product ("Audiences"), so we might
prioritize it soon. I'd love to pull in a contractor to do the work to
bring it to ORES.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:15 AM Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Amir,
Interesting, I called this phenomenon "foreigh helpers" nearly 10 years
ago:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Ziko/Handbuch-Allgemeines
These people do not speak the language of the language version -
otherwise they would be simply a 'normal' part of the community. But
they help out with skills, maybe especially those that are not
existing in the small community.
I have considered also a foreign helper who is supporting translation
tools or platforms, like GerardM with providing scripts or people who
support translatewiki. But that is usually an activity outside the
wiki.
Kind regards.
Ziko
Am Mi., 5. Juni 2019 um 16:04 Uhr schrieb Kiril Simeonovski
<kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi all,
I think this is an excellent research topic that might give us helpful
insights on how Wikipedias can benefit from the support provided by
non-speakers. Discerning the namespaces where this support ends and
whether
it was made by humans or bots may also give
highly useful information. My
observations so far regarding any support by the so-called "helpful
strangers" can be summarised in the following conclusions:
* The larger the community size of a Wikipedia, the higher
rules-lawyering
applied to the "helpful strangers".
This means that:
** Very small Wikipedias (less than 25 active contributors) do not have a
strict set of rules nor a native-speaking contributors to watch and every
kind of support is welcome (mostly in the form of bot-generated articles
and automatic translation of templates).
** Small Wikipedias (from 25-100 active contributors) do have some set of
rules and some native-speaking contributors but most kinds of support are
still welcome.
** Medium-sized Wikipedias (from 100-1,000 active contributors) do have a
clear set of rules and a native-speaking community to take care of
everything; the room for support is limited to human editing that abides
some rules and sometimes community permission is required (mostly comes
in
the form of categorisation an correction of
templates, while
bot-generated
stuff is mostly done by native speakers with a
bot flag required for
strangers).
** Large Wikipedias (over 1,000 active contributors) do have rules about
things that could have not been imagined and native-speaking community
that
easily manages the fields where the strangers
could help in, making them
not attractive for non-native speakers to come in and help.
Another dimension could be a research on the block log of the "helpful
strangers" that might explain how these contributors are accepted by the
communities they are helping to.
Best regards,
Kiril
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 13:24 Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 09:42, Amir E. Aharoni
> <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
> > There is a phenomenon in Wikipedias in smaller languages: There
activity
> > level of people who actually know the
language of the wiki and make
> > meaningful text contributions is relatively low, and the activity of
> people
> > from other wikis who make various technical edits that don't require
the
> > knowledge of the language is relatively
high.
>
> > Now, I've written "relatively low" and "relatively
high", but these
are
> > just my anecdotal impressions. Has
anyone thought of a way to
quantify
this
more precisely?
It won't answer the question fully, but you can narrow down the
results by looking at babel templates to see which languages they
self-rate as being proficient in, or otherwise, on their home
project(s).
I try to act as a "helpful stranger" on non-English projects, for
instance by adding images and {{Authority control}} templates. This is
usually well received, but there are a couple of projects where the
former at least is apparently not welcome, and I've recently been
blocked (with no warning; my talk page ink is still red), with no talk
page or email access, on Lithuanian Wikipedia. In 2015 I was accused
of "vandalism" and "trolling" there.
Happy to discuss my experiences - good and bad - off-list, if that
will help your research.
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