Interesting post! As a woman, I would say I am negatively affected by both
intentionally cutting reactions on my talk page AND thoughtlessly crass
reactions. I am also unsure if an apology would help, now that I think
about it. In all cases (and fortunately these have been few) I have always
opted to stop whatever it was that caused the reaction and have just
disengaged from that user (whoever he/she was). That said, there are
certain venues that I just avoid altogether because of the casually crass
tone I see regularly. Examples are the AfC and AfD queues.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Not only has
the person been insulted, they've been insulted in front
of others. I note that some forums have a "rude word" filter and
either warn or prevent the user from posting the message.
A warning seems like a good idea, as it could help solve most problems
before they occur, while still allowing people to express themselves
colorfully if they wish. After all some people may be unintentionally
offensive, for instance even with a typo. (I tried to read it as "word
count"!)
In such a case, people would have to be just a bit more intentional in
order to be rude.
This seems important, partly because if someone DOES end up being
uncivil, the recourse is complicated and might not work.
«Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five
pillars.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility
Nevertheless:
«Sanctions for civility violations should only happen when nothing else
would do.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility#Blocking_for_incivility
«3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to
a standstill.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion#How_to_list_a_dispute
This leaves:
«Before requesting community comment, at least two editors must have
contacted the user on the user's talk page, or the talk page(s)
involved in the dispute, and tried but failed to resolve the problem.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Request_for_co…
(Finally!) But... is this really going to work out in the case where
someone is being directly insulting or just unduly crass? Assuming the
insulted party finds the page mentioned above, would they then have time
to follow through on the somewhat elaborate process that it recommends?
Where will they find a supportive editor to back them up? And if they
go through all the steps, would an apology really be forthcoming? Is
that even what's wanted?
IMO from a research standpoint, it would be interesting to understand
the process - if it works at all. E.g. was there any followup of this
nature on any of the usages identified by Laura Hale? My guess is
something close to 0% of the cases would end in a "positive" resolution,
however that's defined.
Definitely seems like a case where an ounce of prevention would be worth
a pound of cure.
That said, if people are intentionally cutting as opposed to just
thoughtlessly crass, the follow-up still needs significant tuning.
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