Exactly! However, I do think this example woman
shows a Wikipedia gender
bias towards men in that her husband's article has an image and hers doesn't
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Magnus Manske <
magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often the
> records for men are more fleshed out than for women.
>
> Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a
> US-based husband & wife duo never active in the Netherlands, but who were
> made popular (with articles on 4 or more language wikis) by a 2014 movie
> about them:
>
https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296853
>
https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296851
>
> The ULAN only has one record
>
>
http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&su…
>
> One could argue that there is not enough in any of these records to
> make a Wikidata entry, let alone a Wikipedia article in any language. So
> just having the record in the ULAN or the RKDartists will not help any
> language-pedia. The English Wikipedia includes of course articles for both,
> though they are not sourced to these databases at all.
>
Which only shows that RKD/ULAN are not the basis for Wikipedia
articles. Your "example woman" has 13 references:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Keane
But, the argument could be made that general coverage on the web is
biased towards men, and Wikipedia reflects that trend, if only for a lack
of sources.
> In comparison, here is a US male artist without any Wikipedia article,
> born the same year as Mrs. Keane, whose entry in the RKD is well fleshed
> out, because this person was active in Amsterdam
>
https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/55977
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Magnus Manske <
> magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, a "local bias" would push the total coverage in a certain
>> language, as evidences by high nl.wp coverage for RKD but not for ULAN. But
>> how would that affect the gender bias? No matter how popular RKDartists are
>> on a Wikipedia, unbiased coverage should always put them on the line in my
>> plots. However, only the almost-complete Wikipedias come near that line.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Magnus,
>>> That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does
>>> at first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. However,
>>> drilling down into the actual data it's really not so bad. What you
>>> actually see is a strong bias from the ULAN for artists who have been
>>> active in the US for whatever reason (artworks in US museum, exhibition, or
>>> public art). The RKD has a similar strong bias for artists who have been
>>> active in the Northern & Southern Netherlands and adjoining countries
(nl,
>>> fr + de). We should offset this by looking at other databases, and also
>>> looking at the same cross-wiki data for all biographies with
>>> occupation=artist.
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Magnus Manske <
>>> magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art &
>>>>> Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the
state of
>>>>> the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge
local
>>>>> differences per language wiki regarding "who is notable".
One of the things
>>>>> I love about Mix-and-Match is the way you can easily check the
sitelinks
>>>>> per wiki. You can also download the data with autolist to see which
>>>>> biographies are popular across different languages. I noticed that in
the
>>>>> case of women this seems to be way different than for men. Women
artists
>>>>> are more likely to be notable in one or two languages only, possibly
>>>>> because they travel less, making their art known more locally than
>>>>> otherwise - who knows?
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, here is something to chew on:
>>>>>
>>>>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Women_vs_Men_per_external_db_using_…
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish we had more databases from more countries that only contain
>>>>> artists that we could load into Mix-and-Match!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jane
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