Dear all,
After reading some of the diverse practices in the world regarding open
access, allow me share with you one experience that I have with the paid
access one.
One of the interesting online business in mainland China is selling some
kind of grey-access to all major journals/academic databases and even some
US university VPN access. I am not sure whether the business model is
legitimate. Still many university students can buy them easily online,
even pay for access just for a month. My guess is that they expand the
business model in selling China's own knowledge database called CNKI. Just
give you one example of this as below:
Taobao is the equivalent of ebay in China.
Best,
han-teng liao
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Juliana Bastos <domusaurea(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Piotr's evaluation is very much in tone with what
happens in Brazil, where
all journals are open access.
For journal publishing tools, most journals here use the Public Knowledge
Project:
http://pkp.sfu.ca/. I would also refer to you the SCIELO project
(again?):
http://www.scielo.org/php/index.php.
Indeed, costs would include revising, copydesk and page design - usually
covered here by a grant for a graduate student.
Juliana.
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Departamento de História - CCH/UNIRIO
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Piotr Konieczny <piokon(a)post.pl> wrote:
Bills for what?
Dead tree publication? Obsolete, switch to print on demand.
Online publication? Once you have free access (no need to set up a "web
shop" and collect money), web publishing is relatively simple. Hundreds of
thousands if not millions have created web pages, and it is much easier to
do so now than it was in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if there already
was an OA journal friendly host and/or website creation kit; if there
isn't, creating one wouldn't be a major problem (for the kit, free hosts
like Google Sites are even less of an issue). If a given editing team has
next to zero Internet literacy, ask among the grad students (hire one or
get them to volunteer).
Labor? As in authors? Editors? Reviewers? It's not like they are being
paid under a current model.
To sum it up, the only real cost associated with journal publishing is
that of a single grad student who acts as an assistant/managing editor.
That's the cost of about $1,000-$1,500 a month. That doesn't seem terrible,
considering the potential sources of funding (universities, grants,
professional associations and donations). And as much as I hate to say it,
if this amount is really a problem (let the slaving grads starve...), that
job could be outsourced for a fraction of that cost to somebody through the
Internet freelancing portals. Consider that you can hire people for $20-$30
an hour for such tasks, and consider how many hours really go into this
kind of a job...
--
Piotr Konieczny
"To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on
one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski
On 5/21/2012 2:01 AM, Richard Jensen wrote:
Sorry Dario, you need to look at it from the
editors' and scholarls
point of view and not say you are thinking of the "taxpayer"--journal
prices have gone up but taxes have gone down, so that's not a real issue.
I've been on the editorial boards of eight scholarly journals & all would
be in real trouble on free access. Who would pay their bills? Who would
pay their grad students? Already they are threatened by declining
university budgets and losing the subscription base would be a terrific
blow. "Access for the "taxpayers" / "taxpayers pay twice" is a
rhetorical
tool designed to defund science. It is the professors and graduate students
who need the journals and who would be hurt when they close.
Richard Jensen
At 11:45 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
With all due respect, your statement is simply
false and ill-informed.
The NIH as well as a growing number of large research institutions and
funding bodies worldwide has been mandating open access for 4 years and
I'd like to see any evidence that this is "destroying peer review". There
are many sustainable open access models that publishers and scholarly
societies are adopting, the only thing this campaign is threatening is the
taxpayer's obligation to pay twice for research they have already funded.
Best,
Dario
On May 20, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Richard Jensen wrote:
> that's a bad idea--it will destroy the financial base of thousands of
journals and throw the whole science community into turmoil for years as
the main quality control system --peer review--is destroyed.
>
> The alternative of direct government subsidy of journals is even more
dangerous, as it will give politicians control over what gets published.
>
> Richard Jensen
>
> At 11:19 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
>> (apologies for cross-posting)
>>
>> A petition you should care about: require free access over the
Internet to journal articles arising from taxpayer-funded research.
>>
>>
http://access2research.org/
>>
http://wh.gov/6TH
>>
>> 25,000 signatures in 30 days (by June 19) gets an official response
from the White House.
>>
>> Dario
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