On 6/23/2014 2:19 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott
<datzrott(a)alizeepathology.com <mailto:datzrott@alizeepathology.com>>
wrote:
* bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not
want to got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense
Would support wholeheartedly.
The problem with Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance was the same as the
problem with AN/I. As soon as someone took a complaint to
Wikiquette_assistance people like Baseball Bugs would make fun of them
for being too sensitive and it would basically turn into forum for
criticizing the person who complained. No one at Wikiquette_assistance
took complaints seriously, so it just ended up making things more
frustrating for the person who was being harassed.
If we want a forum that is more effective, I think we should adopt
some of the ideas from the Teahouse. Primarily, by having the
responders be vetted volunteers that are expected to provide a minimum
level of helpfulness. All the peanut gallery responders who are just
there for the lulz should be banned.
Ryan Kaldari
Would they also make friendly comments to worst offenders? That would
help. What would it be called, something like "Civility help"? (Just a
thought to get people thinking.)
Or that might be a Gender Gap project function.
Having a place where incidents of double standards can be discussed
would be helpful also. As a particularly outspoken female who tends to
edit in more controversial areas, I run into a lot of hostility,
probably because male get more upset by females who disagree with them
than males. So they take their frustrations out on us in various double
standard ways that are very obvious to women, if not to men. (For
example, exaggerating the incivility of comments, making exaggerated or
fabricated charges of motives, reverting freely and criticizing harshly
quality of edits, ignoring points in talk page discussions.)
I've been grateful over time when a couple individuals recognized and
pointed out such double standards being applied to me. It helps when
one is going through one of one's "I'm quiting this site" phases. So
having a place where such double standards can be discussed would be
helpful and encourage women to edit in economics, politics, current
events, and other areas too many males consider male bastions.
CM