On 6/23/2014 2:19 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott <datzrott@alizeepathology.com> wrote:

* bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

Would support wholeheartedly.

The problem with Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance was the same as the problem with AN/I. As soon as someone took a complaint to Wikiquette_assistance people like Baseball Bugs would make fun of them for being too sensitive and it would basically turn into forum for criticizing the person who complained. No one at Wikiquette_assistance took complaints seriously, so it just ended up making things more frustrating for the person who was being harassed.

If we want a forum that is more effective, I think we should adopt some of the ideas from the Teahouse. Primarily, by having the responders be vetted volunteers that are expected to provide a minimum level of helpfulness. All the peanut gallery responders who are just there for the lulz should be banned.

Ryan Kaldari

Would they also make friendly comments to worst offenders? That would help. What would it be called, something like "Civility help"? (Just a thought to get people thinking.)

Or that might be a Gender Gap project function.

Having a place where incidents of double standards can be discussed would be helpful also. As a particularly outspoken female who tends to edit in more controversial areas, I run into a lot of hostility, probably because male get more upset by females who disagree with them than males. So they take their frustrations out on us in various double standard ways that are very obvious to women, if not to men. (For example, exaggerating the incivility of comments, making exaggerated or fabricated charges of motives, reverting freely and criticizing harshly quality of edits, ignoring points in talk page discussions.)

I've been grateful over time when a couple individuals recognized and pointed out such double standards being applied to me. It helps when one is going through one of one's "I'm quiting this site" phases. So having a place where such double standards can be discussed would be helpful and encourage women to edit in economics, politics, current events, and other areas too many males consider male bastions.

CM