On 10 Jul 2014, at 18:23, Jon Beasley-Murray
<jon.beasley-murray(a)ubc.ca> wrote:
Jennifer:
Why ask only for "+1"s?! You're looking only for confirmation, not for
other reactions to your scheme?
For what it's worth, and per my earlier email, this gets a "-1" from me,
for reasons that are not simply (or even mainly) to do with conflict of interest.
(Another issue, at least with the scheme as you put it here, is the problem of researchers
advancing primary sources. Not on.)
Take care
Jon
On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Jennifer Gristock
<gristock(a)me.com> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the discussion so far (on citing one's own
research in an article.)
I would echo Leigh's point about advice to potential editors being mixed: in June,
for example, The advice at the Teahouse was that an academic ought to confine
contributions regarding their own research papers to the Talk page of a topic or
alternatively to write about a topic without citing themselves. Quite how you do that if
your work is new I am not sure.
This [in my view, peculiar] perspective, that citing yourself is a COI, is a million
miles away from Pau's [in my view, sensible] advice that
First, COI is related to editing Wikipedia in
your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships. It does not forbid
obviously writing about the things you're an expert on. If you are able to separate
these two things, you're allowed to do it.
I would be much obliged if those who agree with Pau could +1 his email (or this one) so
that I can be sure that the whole system I am attempting to design, - which involves
academics and their students contributing information from their own research and citing
it - does not by definition forbidden because of COI.
Many thanks
Jenny (Open_Research)
Advice given quote:
"Bearing in mind the conflict of interest issues raised above, it would be
acceptable if you went to an article's talk page and mentioned that a new piece of
academic research on the topic is available, providing relevant information. This would
allow interested editors to read your work and, if warranted, integrate it into existing
pages. Additionally, if you're an academic with expertise in a field, I would strongly
encourage you to work on improving articles relevant to your area of interest (steering
clear of citing yourself). Keihatsu talk
19:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
> On 10 Jul 2014, at 16:28, Pau Cabot <paucabot(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
>
First, COI is related to editing Wikipedia in
your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships. It does not forbid
obviously writing about the things you're an expert on. If you are able to separate
these two things, you're allowed to do it.
>
> Related to the tracking of the alumni, I did it by creating a page where there were
listed my students' constributions, so I could easily keep track of their progress. To
count their editions, you can use this tool, which counts all user contributions, but it
does not matter as usually the only editions that pupils make are the ones related to the
project.
>
> In addition, if the aim of getting editions done by alumni is due to COI issues, I
think it's not the solution. The problem does not depend on the user that makes the
edits but on the intention of the edits.
>
> Pau.
>
>
> 2014-07-10 16:43 GMT+02:00 Jennifer Gristock <gristock(a)me.com>om>:
> Greetings everyone. I'm still working on that system to encourage university
professors to contribute to Wikipedia, a system that is concerned not through teaching,
like the Education Programme, but through research.
>
> I need some help. Can you tell me, in the Wikipedia API, is there a way to count the
contributions that a user has made on behalf of another particular user? For example, a
professor might ask a group of PhD students to make contributions involving his/her
research on various Wikipedia pages, on his/her behalf.
>
> I have been frequently told (at the Teahouse and elsewhere) that Professors are not
allowed to contribute information about their own published research papers on Wikipedia
pages, because this would be biased. (Which is rather a downer for the professor, because
this means they are forbidden to write about the things they are most passionate and
knowledgeable about.)
>
> If this is rule is true, then it must certainly be seen as a roadblock to academic
engagement with Wikipedia. If it isn't, then it is editors' perception of the rule
as true (as I have experienced) that is the roadblock.
>
> It seems to me that the way to overcome this roadblock is to introduce a way of
counting the contributions made by a person (say, a research student, or a colleague) on
behalf of a Professor. So at the end of the year, the Professor can say 'my research
contributed to X edits on Wikipedia' as easily as each individual student (who might
contribute on behalf of many academic researchers) can count their individual edits.
>
> Can the API accommodate this in some way? Perhaps through some sort of
'project' code or something?
>
>
> Yours hopefully,
>
> Jenny Gristock (Open_Research)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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