[Wikitech-l] State of technology: 2007

[Fernando Fagundes]

I'm aware the peer agreements of US big companies (tier 1) are harsh, but
wikipedia is not commercial and have a lot of respect.

Google and Akamai got good peering agreements in the past because people
respected them. Wikipedia shouldn't put itself in the same place of
commercial companies when thinking about peering.

At&t is said to be more open to peering than others Tier 1s, Cogent peers
anyone and Globalcrossing is your friend.
There's also education networks and Latin America/Canadian telcos.
But any of those will peer only where they have backbone capacity. Near
Tampa that place would be Atlanta for US companies and Miami for Latin
America ones. Go to the next Nanog and let people meet you.

For brazilian companies at Miami you should have no problems peering 8167
and 7738. You already have an open channel with 12956 and a lot of people
here use Globalcrossing. I don't have any idea about 4230 policy, but
they're at Miami as well.

Don't know about the other latin american companies but they should also be
open to peering because they usually buy their traffic.

About the other costs did you already already asked for donations or
discounts from Sago, or any other company located at Nota or Marietta? If
you did I don't want to use that argument anymore.

When I mentioned Sago rackspace that was about space for network gear at
Miami and Atlanta. I didn't mean you should move from your servers current
location.

Best regards,
Fernando.


On Jan 6, 2008 4:40 PM, Domas Mituzas <midom.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fernando,
>
> > No doubt Amsterdam have good peering, but the American ASN (14907)
> > is listed
> > only on TampaIX, which is a poorly connected.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions - they have always floated around, but
> there're many issues to resolve.
> First of all, peering traditions in US are completely different, than
> in Europe or anywhere else - especially if we're not a huge telco.
>
> > I suggest you ask a donation or buy transport from Tampa to Miami
> > (Nota)
> > and/or Atlanta (56 Marietta St). Both places are much better
> > connected. From
> > my POV (South America) Miami would be the best.
>
> Getting to those locations doesn't mean immediately all South
> American providers will be peering (especially large telcos).
>
> > I suggest you ask a donation (network and Miami/Atlanta rackspace)
> > to Sago
> > Networks, they recently released their fiber backbone which should
> > have
> > plenty of free space:
> > http://www.techlinks.net/CommunityAnnouncements/tabid/55/
> > articleType/ArticleView/articleId/181087/Sago-Networks-Completes-
> > Private-Fiber-Network-from-Tampa-to-Atlanta-and-Miami.aspx
>
> We've done really good research about all companies doing any
> networking activities in Tampa area. Sure, if there's a way for us to
> do more efficient stuff, we will do so eventually :-)
>
> > If you decide to go the buy route I estimate the cost of a 2.5gig
> > wave to
> > Miami or Atlanta would be around 5k monthly (plus cross-connect
> > fees, taxes,
> > rackspace, remote hands).
>
> There're more issues involved - like our routing capacity, network
> engineering hours, etc.
> I'm not in any authority to speak about this, but really, if there're
> good things to do, we generally do them :)
>
>
>