[Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old

[Alexander Cajcyc]

In that case a solution has already been found long ago, and the question is purely a technical one: one and the same Wiki, but with articles separated into "classical" and "official". As far as I know, this has already been implemented in other Wikis (e.g. Serbian?). So why not just doing the same with Belarusian Wikipedia?


czalex


-----Original Message-----
From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
To: "Alexander Cajcyc" <czalex at bk.ru>, wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:03:43 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old

> 
> Hoi,
> There is no choice when it comes to the names of the projects. The standard
> is explicit; a private label is indicated by an -x- at the right place in
> the label.
> 
> Having two projects is also something I would be against; it does not bring
> collaboration, it does not bring NPOV. You have to get your act together and
> history shows that you now have to compromise big time. It has been
> indicated that the actual differences are less than what you find in English
> ... all the more reason to insist on collaboration.
> 
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
> 
> On 3/30/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex at bk.ru> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody
> >
> > I agree with Gerard that we must not deepen the conflict and hould find a
> > solution that would satisfy all of us.
> >
> > Are we all, no matter the orthography, interested in the representation of
> > Belarusian language in Wikipedia and in the usage of this tool for the sake
> > of all Belarusian speakers no matter whether they prefer the classical
> > orthography or the official one? Yes, we all are. So let's find some
> > compromise.
> >
> > I propose to leave the official orthography wikipedia where it is now, OK.
> >
> > But you just CAN'T allow the 6000 classical Belarusian Wiki articles to
> > get lost! The fact that the Belarusian Wiki was created as a Wiki in
> > Taraskievica is a illustrative example to that the classical orthography has
> > an important place in Belarus now, especially amoung people who really DO
> > speak the language on an every-day basis, while you can even see that most
> > forum conversations in the official-orthography Wikipedia are being hold
> > in... Russian [what is not bad itself].
> >
> > So an ideal solution would be to rename be-x-old.wikipedia.org to, e.g.,
> > be-classic.wikipedia.org or bel.wikipedia.org and to open it for editing
> > so that it could coutinue its effective functioning.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > czalex
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> > To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:23:35 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
> >
> > >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Please consider that if you have an option to work together, that you
> > have
> > > to talk. That you have to give and take. That you will always feel that
> > you
> > > give more than what you get.
> > >
> > > There are two groups of people who have fought each other in a space
> > where
> > > such fights are not appreciated. Assertions have been made  about "your"
> > > language, "your" orthography, by trash talking the "other" language /
> > > orthography. You do not get any sympathy in this way. When you want to
> > > achieve something, it will be more beneficial to be seen to cooperate
> > and to
> > > find some coexistence.
> > >
> > > When this coexistence is hard to get because of the enmity that has been
> > > created in the past, it only means that you will have to give even more.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >     Gerard
> > >
> > > On 3/30/07, Monk <monkbel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > How can anybody say that Yury Tarasievich and his project is about
> > > > language, not about politics, after such a letter? No facts, just
> > > > insults and speculations.
> > > >
> > > > > You are an entity, yes, set out to destroy the existing Belarusian
> > > > > language and culture and replace it with your version -- okay, your
> > > > > right. But get yourself your own blessed language code for that.
> > > > This speculation with such aggressive words doesn't help your case, it
> > > > can only make your case worse. I don't even hope any more that you
> > > > understand that your outrageous insults are absurd. You just dig a pit
> > > > for yourself by your own hands.
> > > >
> > > > > P.S.
> > > > > Some years ago I witnessed a creation of one of such sites you call
> > > > > "proofs". So, there was 1 tech and 1 editor, who re-edited
> > everything
> > > > > incoming (like 90+% or even 99% in standard Belarusian and Russian)
> > > > > into his flavour of "classic". It was politics. Thousands pages (and
> > I
> > > > > mean real thousands, there was sort of 4800 or so) of pages. And...
> > > > > grant money. I could add -- near to zero interest, excepting the
> > > > > indexing bots.
> > > > Another great example of lies. Where could they get any incoming in
> > > > "norm" if people just don't write in it?
> > > >
> > > > Monk.
> > > >
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