[Wikipedia-l] About creating a new language on Wikipedia

[GerardM]

Hoi,
Yucatan Maya, spoken in Mexico and Belize, ISO-639-3 yua. With the sponsors
that you supply, with a number of native speakers, the time you will spend
in the incubator is likely to be short.
Thanks,
    GerardM

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=yua

On 7/16/07, Rodolfo M Vega <rmvega at cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Berto:
> Yes! We will have a Maya wikipedia quite soon. It is a matter of time.
> We, Yucatan Mayans, Carnegie Mellon University and Unicef-Mexico are
> working in this matter; soon Mayans will request the relevant
> information to start.
> Rodolfo
>
> Berto 'd Sera wrote:
> > Hoi,
> >
> > This is actually a "must". No foreign "expert" can create words in any
> > language. In that case you're much better off by importing them as they
> are.
> > We are not very keen to release wikies for the use of students in
> foreign
> > languages. All wikies are for natives first, foreigners are welcome, but
> > designing a UI is none of their business.
> >
> > I'll love to see a Maya wiki :)
> >
> > Berto 'd Sera
> > Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti
> vojaotri)
> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rodolfo M
> Vega
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:14 PM
> > To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] About creating a new language on Wikipedia
> >
> > The "language invention" must be done by the native speakers of that
> > language. This is what native speakers of Amerindian languages are
> > fighting for, and are part of United Nations agreements and conventions
> > on language rights for native peoples. I am working with Maya, Mapuche
> > and Aymara, from the Americas, in this issue. Soon, they will ask to
> > have Wikipedia in their own language, including the interface, done by
> > themselves, and not by an "expert gringo". Is this possible based on
> > your "rules"?
> > Rodolfo'
> >
> > Delirium wrote:
> >
> >> Berto 'd Sera wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The only requests I am receiving are about totally clearing from
> english
> >>> other UIs. You might be surprised, but the highest pressure comes from
> >>>
> > young
> >
> >>> (15-20 y.o.) bilingual users, who are native or almost native in
> english,
> >>> too. It has nothing to do with liking english or not, it's about using
> a
> >>> language for what it's meant to do: to deliver a clear message.
> >>>
> >>> The choice of words really depends on what's current in your language.
> In
> >>> our case even if the dominant culture has long become industrial and
> it
> >>> would take you ages to find a horse anywhere, there still are lots of
> >>> metaphores originating from the farmers' life. Sometimes their roots
> are
> >>> incredibly old.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> This seems somewhat different than advertised.  Localizing an interface
> >> to a language means making it be *in that language*.  Coining new terms
> >> to use in the interface, even if based on other words in the language,
> >> does not make the interface in that language.  Rather, it makes it in a
> >> new language (or dialect, at least), invented at Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> "Purified" languages, in which loanwords are purged and replaced with
> >> neologisms based on "native" roots, are often created, and sometimes
> >> they succeed and sometimes they fail.  See [[en:Katharevousa]] for an
> >> example of a purified Greek that eventually more or less failed.
> >> Regardless of the merits of such a project, I don't think it
> appropriate
> >> for *us* to engage in such language-invention.
> >>
> >> -Mark
> >>
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