[Wikipedia-l] Re: No more new Wikipedias !

[Traroth]

That you don't want to make the work to create new
wikipedias is something I can understand, but why
destroy existing one ? 'Beats me !
What I cannot understand is : except the workload
problem, where is exactly the problem with new
languages ? Do you want to say which language people
have to speak ? Or what ?

Traroth


--- Tim Starling <t.starling at physics.unimelb.edu.au> a
écrit :

> Arbeo M wrote:
> > ... at least not for the past three months or so. 
> > 
> > In the past you only had to drop the name of some
> > language you'd heard of and a new wiki for that
> > language was created right away. This surely
> wasn't a
> > very intelligent approach, for it left us with
> quite a
> > number of inactive Wikipedias.
> > 
> > Nowadays, it's the opposite extreme: there are
> heaps
> > of requests that have been discussed very
> thoroughly
> > by the community (cf.
> >
>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages).
> > Some of them are pretty well-qualified and
> supported
> > by numerous native speakers willing to contribute.
> > However, not a single new Wikipedia has been set
> up
> > for quite a while now.
> > 
> > Some time ago there had been a remark that it was
> hard
> > for our developers to recognize which new language
> > proposals can be considered as accepeted by the
> > community (and therefore created). That's why I
> made a
> > separate page intended to list languages that
> > unambiguously qualify for a new wiki (cf.
> >
>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages).
> > Since this can be a controversial question I only
> > placed those cases there that are 100 %
> unequivocal
> > (at least 5 supporters, at least 2 native
> speakers,
> > ISO code, no objections, etc.). 
> > 
> 
> I've stated my position on new language wikis, and
> we've been through
> all the arguments before. Just because I'm no longer
> interested in
> arguing every case, or putting my name on the oppose
> votes, doesn't mean
> I've changed my mind.
> 
> I created 5 new Wikipedias in June because I
> received a request from a
> Wikimedia Board member. If I receive another such
> specific request, I'll
> carry it out. I do that out of loyalty to them, not
> because I think it
> contributes to our mission.
> 
> The problem with voting on the matter is that it is
> a vote to expand the
> community. It should come as no surprise that those
> people who are on
> the outside are voting to be on the inside. As I've
> previously said, we
> should judge the value of a wiki by the number of
> readers, and by the
> information it brings to those readers, not by the
> number of editors. A
> Wikipedia in Anglo Saxon is a failure regardless of
> how many articles or
> editors it has. I know Anglo Saxon is an extreme
> case, but I'm not
> prepared to argue about every point in between,
> especially not when a
> certain annoying person dominates every discussion.
> I tired of the
> repetitive debate long ago, so I'm happy to consider
> the current set of
> languages sufficient. Hopefully if there's any
> really important
> languages that we've missed, a Board member will let
> me know.
> 
> > [...]
> > Before any misunderstandings might arise: I know
> that
> > our developers are extremely busy (and AFAIK
> unpaid,
> > too - good gosh...). I was just wondering if
> somebody
> > has an idea how we could remedy this situation and
> > maybe have, like, one new WP per month (so we
> don't
> > lose too many potential new contributors)? 
> 
> If those potential new contributors only want to
> write articles in some
> little-known conlang, I won't shed any tears if they
> stay away.
> 
> -- Tim Starling
> 
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