[Wikipedia-l] Request for classical Chinese

[abc_root]

Some people may want to create their own Chinese words to represent the
meaning of these foreign words. In fact many of the Chinese words are
created in translating foreign words. However in recent decades the various
countries are creating their individual Chinese words for even the same
foreign word and this is causing confusion. I suggest putting some limit on
these new creations, or at least, when one thinks his new word might not be
readily understood by other users, he should note down the original word.

--- Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> からのメッセージ：
> In addition there was the old practice in Japanese of writing a
> neologism descriptively in Chinese characters, and writing the
> pronunciation (usually from English or French) right above it.
> 
> This was done with "denwa", which is interesting because people often
> just read it as "denwa" instead of reading the phonetic guide
> "terehon", whereas in other cases people always stuck to the phonetic
> reading so now there are sets of kanji for new words which do not fit
> with their readings. (however, this has fallen out of favor so people
> usually use katakana for such loanwords instead)
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:16:04 -0800 (PST), Felix Wan
> <felixwiki at earthsphere.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, February 28, 2005 3:03 pm, David Gerard said:
> > >
> > > So would this be created before or after a Cantonese wikipedia?
> > >
> > I hope that Classical Chinese Wikipedia is more accepted, and I
> don't
> > mind if it is created before the Cantonese Wikipedia.  I hope that
> we
> > can consider the merits of a Classical Chinese Wikipedia
> seperately,
> > unaffected by the emotion surrounding Chinese regional speeches.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, February 28, 2005 2:12 am, abc_root said:
> > >
> > > I would like to request a new Wikipedia for classical Chinese or
> > > kanbun( テヲツシツ「テヲ窶凪。/テヲ窶凪。ティツィ竄ャテヲ窶凪。)
> which is the standard form of Chinese for
> > > about two thousand years and was used throughout East Asia as the
> > > formal form of writing. Its importance in East Asia is like that
> of
> > > Latin in Europe. Now that Wikipedias are running or being started
> > > for many of the languages in East Asia, it seems that the
> language
> > > which is the backbone of these languages should also have a
> place.
> > >
> > I find that an interesting idea and will support it.  I am just not
> > sure how many people are fluent enough in Classical Chinese to
> > maintain the site.
> > 
> > > One problem that might be encountered in writing articles for
> kanbun
> > > wikipedia is how the foreign loanwords (e.g. from English) should
> be
> > > phonetically transcribed when there is no corresponding word in
> kanbun
> > > itself. If they are transcribed using kanji (Chinese characters),
> there
> > > is the question of which language should be used to read the
> kanji.
> > > Here I suggest using an alphabet system of East Asia (e.g.
> Japanese
> > > kana or Korean hangul, or Taiwanese chu-yin) for the
> transcription and
> > > also note the original word in English (or any other language of
> origin
> > > or the roman transcription if the language is not written in
> roman
> > > alphabet). This allows kanbun users speaking different languages
> to
> > > know the original foreign word.
> > >
> > I have different ideas for loanwords.  If the loanword is a proper
> noun,
> > and do not have a historical transcription, we could be better off
> to
> > leave it in its original form. (or roman transcription?)
> > 
> > If the loanword is a common noun that has a meaning, the way
> Classical
> > Chinese should work is to coin a word that expresses its meaning.
> > Japanese speakers did a good job in coining "keisai" for economics
> and
> > "denwa" for telephone, and those terms were well accepted by
> Chinese
> > speakers.  However, newer terms are usually phonetically
> transliterated
> > in katakana, which in my opinion is a little bit lazy.  Many
> translations
> > in modern Chinese follow that same principle of Classical Chinese. 
> We
> > may pick from those that convey the meaning, not just the sound.
> > 
> > Felix Wan
> > 
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