[Wikipedia-l] Re: Please clarify the honorary administrator status

[Guillaume Blanchard]

Thank you very much for explanations.

I fully agree your long term view and hope we will be able to reach it a
day.

But I still don't understand why the vote for "stewards" occurs before the
community decide theirs roles? If you really need temporary "stewards" to
remove developers "power" as soon as possible, so create temporary rules (we
can change it after). Personally I can't vote without knowing witch skill
will be required for "stewards".



Aoineko


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Starling" <ts4294967296 at hotmail.com>
To: <wikipedia-l at wikipedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Please clarify the honorary administrator status


> Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
> > Before voting to our honorary administrators (also called steward,
> > super-admin, etc.) I like someone (Tim?) clarify the role of this new
> > status.
>
> Let's call it "steward" for now.
>
> > First, what is the goal:
> > - Manage new Wikipedia where there are no administrators?
> > - Become a new level over bureaucrats for all Wikipedia?
> > - Something else?
>
> Since my goal has been to disavow developer power in favour of
> democracy, I'd prefer not to dictate the rules under which stewards will
> operate. This should be a decision made by the community, or by Jimbo.
>
> However as I've said on meta, my preference is that the users of each
> wiki administer their own wiki, except in the case of very small wikis.
> For the moment, bureaucrats cannot desysop, so stewards will have to
> evaluate community consensus and decide whether to desysop. This is the
> role formerly assigned to people with shell access.
>
> > What specific feature will they have:
> > - Same as bureaucrat, but Wikimedia wide?
> > - More than bureaucrat (for example only HA may be able to remove admini
> > status, or give bot status)?
> > - Something else?
>
> Currently they have more abilities than bureaucrats. They can grant or
> revoke any level of access. Currently bureaucrats can only grant
> bureaucrat or admin status.
>
> Additional features may be implemented depending on community sentiment.
> Ultimately I would like to see stewards capable of configuring the power
> structure on each wiki individually, or to allow some subset of local
> users to set their own power structure. For example on request from the
> Korean wikipedians, a steward might delete the bureaucrat level from ko
> and allow sysops to create and demote other sysops. Or, the English
> Wikipedia community may request that bureaucrats be given the ability to
> determine the set of operations which sysops can perform.
>
> I expect steward rights to be maximally unrestricted, analogous to root
> access on a Unix operating system. However it's possible that some users
> will have virtually unrestricted rights locally. It all depends on what
> people want.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
>
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