[Wikipedia-l] the tool bar : disable it in some browsers (or fix

[Brion Vibber]

Dan, we know you don't like it.

I'd appreciate some clear feedback from _other_ users on the _current_ 
_actual_ behavior of the code, however.

Mostly what I've seen is complaints about the broken behavior in Mozilla 
and the old 'paste sample text at the end' in various other browsers. 
Those are definately unacceptable, and Erik's been working with us to 
make sure that the best experience will be available before this ever 
goes online on Wikipedia.

In response to the concerns of users and other developers, these 
huge improvements have been made so far:

* On browsers with no javascript available, a dead useless toolbar is 
_not_ shown

* On browsers that don't support adding formatting to the selected text, 
sample code is no longer added willy-nilly to the end of the text.

* The Mozilla "scrolls to top of text area" bug has been reported to 
the Mozilla dev team, and as a workaround we'll do what we can to avoid 
triggering the bug (for instance using the version of the code for 
browsers that don't support formatting the selected text at all).

Erik's not forcing evil buggy code upon the populace, here. We're all 
working to make the best, most functional, most user-friendly code we can 
get. Let's please not fight over something that's not happening.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)