[Wikipedia-l] Vote on voting method for final round

[Erik Moeller]

Guillaume-
> For example, imagine you want to select a color.

Your black/white/gray example is perfectly applicable to our process.  
There has been the possibility of discussion during the entire logo  
submission process (for more than a month); discussions continued during  
voting, and even now after the submission deadline has been closed you can  
still submit variants and try to convince the artist to put these variants  
up for final voting. So I fail to see how and when we could or should have  
been trying harder to find compromise solutions. Many logos have been  
modified based on viewer feedback, especially NcWiki, Stygian's logo and  
Paullusmagnus' puzzle sphere. Some people have created vector variants of  
existing logos, others have changed the colors, and others have added  
their favorite mascot (*cough*).

There have been some complaints (not by me) about Olie's attempts to get  
Miwiki integrated into virtually every logo. Are you saying these users  
should just shut up? What exactly are you asking for here? I think you  
should be glad that we have a formalized process in place to handle these  
variants, because otherwise we would now be knee deep in a flamewar about  
whether Olie should be allowed to do this or not.

> I agree consensus become harder as we get bigger. But instead of switch
> decision process to a standard vote method, we can perhaps just create some
> rules to make consensus easier to achieve.

I fail to see how it will ever be possible to achieve "consensus" on which  
logo to pick from a selection of more than 130. Feel free to prove me  
wrong -- just leave a message on the user talk page of everyone who voted  
and tell them your arguments why you think a particular logo or compromise  
should be used.

Realistically, when you stop using voting for decisions like this, you  
will end up with a cabal that makes decisions for the majority of users.  
The funny thing is: I think the people who complain about voting would not  
complain about such a cabal -- because they know that the only alternative  
is voting, which they despise.

> If I enter the debate it's just because I worried to see Oliezekat spend all
> his time to try to found alternative proposition (he really worked hard) and
> to be bother just because he didn't strictly respect the saintly rules.

I did not "bother" Olie about anything. Which "saintly rules" do you think  
should be relaxed? Should Olie be allowed to submit his Miwiki variants  
for final voting even if the artists do not agree? What exactly do you  
want? If you just want to express your solidarity with the Miwiki  
campaign, well, maybe there are other places to do that.

> Next time, a non-American organizer!?

I'm not an American, but perhaps it's a problem that I speak  
understandable English. In that case, maybe we should try to get Brion to  
organize the next contest in Esperanto. Or how about Volapük? I hear it's  
all the rage with the kids these days.

Regards,

Erik