[Wikipedia-l] racialisme

[julien tayon]

Hello,

I did remove philippe's article far before Yann for two reasons :

- first it was not neutral, as a french who is aware of political
science and history letting him write this article was the same as
letting KKK write an article on white power. It does not means he is
racist, it only means he is lacking of objectivity (or "recul"),
- secondly, is considered racist anythings that gets in contradiction
with the first article of the Déclaration universelle des Droits de
l'Homme, saying that any people are born equal in dignity and in regard
to the law, and therefore (article 2) no difference can be made
regarding the the people. And that is illegal in France.

Europe is not america, we do not have the 1st Amendment (liberty of
speech) we have la liberté d'expression (which is bounded to the respect
of the ground of democracy), and since the 2nd WW it is considered as a
delictuous to justify or state theory that are either xenophobic,
racist, or revisionist (like saying shoah never existed). You may say
that wikipedia is in the US. Fine, Yahoo also was but had problems with
french justice for selling nazis items, because regarding internet,
France -as the US- consider their justice is "extra-terriorial". As long
as a speech is seen from France, it can be prosecuted wherever the
server is. 

If we accept definition that are an implicit legitimation of racism
(racialism) (wich made nazi legitimate too in killing tzigan) : 
- should we also made article saying that it is legitimate to think
shoah never was? If so no matter what my opinions are, I will write it. 
- Do you assume the legal responsabilities if we are prosecuted ? 

And least, but not last, we may suffer indymedia far right infiltration
: french indymedia is down since they let antisemitic articles being
written. It was not their fault, they just did not see them arrive.
Infiltrated far rightists begun to write articles that were border line
first and their expresses their full expanded ideas afterwards.
Sometimes we may have to think in long term.

Infiltration is classic for french far rightist and leftist movement.
They consider the "noyeautage" as one way to convince people of the
(far) rightness of their ideas. If you are not firm at the very
beginning, fr.wikipedia.org will have the same problem as indymedia =>
shutdown -f now.

Take your responsabilities, but don't close your eyes, please. 
  
Friendly yours,

PS words do not grow in dictionnary, they result from a consensus. Just
ask yourself, knowing that words in "ism" are the same in french and
english : do I know any words like racialism ? Maybe it proves nothing
few knows priapism, or botulism, but still ask yourself.  

-- 
Julien Tayon  aka Jul on fr.wikipedia.org
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Si la vérité est une femme, essayons de la séduire avant de la saisir.