[Wikimedia Kenya] WikimediaKE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 47

Thu Apr 21 12:24:14 UTC 2011

Hey guys,

You guys are really making it difficult for us (new guys) to understand
everything. What's the argument all about coz I really
don't what you guys are up to.... Someone please clear the AIR!

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, <wikimediake-request at lists.wikimedia.org>wrote:

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>   1. Re: Survey (lilian nyarera)
>   2. Re: Survey (Limoke Oscar)
>   3. Re: Survey (Limoke Oscar)
>   4. Re: Survey (lilian nyarera)
>   5. Re: Survey (Chris Riwa)
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> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: lilian nyarera <lireshi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
> To: "The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter."
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> Hi,
> I am failing to understand the arguments in this mails. Simply dont write
> your
> name if you really dont have to. Abbas,Just make it clear that no names
> will be
> displayed(since its the cause for all these arguments)?and that everyone is
> writing their thots and therefore no one should be judgemental whatsoever
> after
> all its a survey and everyone is entitled to their opinion!?
> Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole.
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com>
> To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
> <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 1:32:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
>
> I feel demoralized.??I started this survey so that we can see where we are
> doing
> well and maximise on that and know where we are poor and learn from our
> mistakes. However, I did not intend to point fingers of accusation at
> people who
> are performing below average. That is why I said I will not disclose names.
> That
> is why, in the survey, I just put a general slot for ''quality of
> presentations'' rather than ''Grace's presentation'' or ''Ting's
> presentation''.
> I fail to understand how, for instance, rating quality of presentations as
> 1
> will mean that David made a poor presentation. It merely means that next
> time,
> we will all collaborate beforehand and ensure that the presentations to be
> made
> are all of the desired quality.
>
> If you think that this is pointing fingers of accusation behind someone's
> back,
> then I'm sorry: I was merely assuming good faith.
>
> This survey is done online since at an AGM, not all people would attend,
> and
> thereby it wouldn't guarantee full participation.
>
> Critics will always be there. Now it's up to you to live in you own bubble
> and
> pretend you don't hear them or listen to them, and react appropriately.
>
>
> I think this causing more contoversy than expected, and maybe I was
> mistaken to
> create this survey in the first place.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:50:49 +0300
> From: oslimoke at gmail.com
> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
>
> Hi Everyone,
> From what I have been reading,I guess I dont understand what is going
> on.True we
> have?received?some "negative" critiscm in the past few days.And from the
> continued arguments in this thread,I am inclined to think maybe our critics
> are
> right?!
>
> First,I dont understand the need of the Survey?I mean to what end are we
> doing
> the survey???
> I personally would suggest we have some sort of ?"AGM" where we can look
> back at
> our success,mistakes and staff on a more "humane" grounds with the aim of
> correcting and building on our success and mistakes not the "virtual" way.
>
> Plus some questions are very subjective and touch on individuals directly
> and?personally?I would rather not critic people behind there back
> especially in
> print.......
>
> Happy Easter,
> Limoke Oscar,
> mayenge.blogspot.com
> Freelancer,
> GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:31:57 +0300
> From: Limoke Oscar <oslimoke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
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> > Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole.
> >
> Lilian,
> What do u mean being harsh?
> I am sorry if my thoughts and opinions hurt you on a personal level.All I
> was raising are my thoughts and opinions and if they hurt you,my sincerest
> apologies....
>
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> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:45:02 +0300
> From: Limoke Oscar <oslimoke at gmail.com>
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> Abbas,
>
> > I feel demoralized.
> >
> You dont have too,remember the Berlin session on Volunteers?Its hard to
> manage them with varied opinion and it gets even harder in the Kenyan
> context.Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and perhaps my opinion was
> harsh and unpopular that should not mean the whole idea is
> bad..Am after-all just one in the Community and the majority matters.
>
> All I was suggesting is to have a discussion of the same events on a
> face-face basis even though thats hard but then that is one of the ways to
> get "right opinion" that is from dedicated members.Am afraid again on this
> but you do realize some people may give opinions that are not a true
> representation of the state of affairs over the form since they are not
> very much dedicated. After-all they will have little implication but if we
> have a face-face meetup to discuss the above issue,even if a few
> attend,those will give better opinion/critic necessary to better WMKE.
> ......once again this is my personal point of view and am subject to
> critiscm as I am doing too.:P..... in Good Faith of course.
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> Limoke Oscar,
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> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: lilian nyarera <lireshi at yahoo.com>
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> All i mean is, you can be more sensitive than that even when you are
> putting
> your opinions across. Btw?I respect your thots very much and I hope evryone
> else
> does. Just that!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Limoke Oscar <oslimoke at gmail.com>
> To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
> <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:31:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
>
>
>
> Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole.
> Lilian,
> What do u mean being harsh??
> I am sorry if my thoughts and opinions hurt you on a personal level.All I
> was
> raising are my thoughts and opinions and if they hurt you,my sincerest
> apologies....
>
> >
> >
> >?
> >
> >
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> Limoke Oscar,
> mayenge.blogspot.com
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> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:15:32 +0300
> From: Chris Riwa <chriwaustin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
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> Hi,
> in any our daily endeavors, it is quite normal to face criticism. However,
> the criticism is quite healthy since it helps us discover our weaknesses.
> My
> point - all this is quite normal and healthy and what really matters at
> this
> point is how we are going to solve the situation at hand. So, Abbas man-up
> and get this ball rolling your the one in charge. To the rest of us, the
> survey is the best way at the moment to try and get to know your opinions
> about the sensitive issues quickly and effectively. So lets get to business
> and fill the questionnaire before our next meet-up so that we can have the
> most contagious issues first on our agenda.
> Regarding the 'name thing',it really doesn't matter whether you put it or
> not. For those who don't feel like putting it you can as well write
> "Anonymous." However, it is important for you guys to be as sincere as
> possible when giving your opinions and answers as this is the current tool
> put in place to collect all your opinions before we can all decide on the
> best way forward. However, let us all maintain respect and integrity when
> expressing ourselves. Thank you all and lets move forward for we all belong
> to Wikimedia Kenya.
>
> PS Maosa: When conducting a survey, the researcher can't avoid knowing a
> little bit more regarding their respondents. however, it is their
> responsibility to ensure such information is not leaked out to the general
> public or any other party after the survey is done. So at this case, the
> one
> in charge (Researcher) can know the names but has to keep it a secret to
> him/herself. Looking forward to get some really response from this survey.
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