[Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.

Wed Nov 30 05:58:52 UTC 2011

I'd like to share my perspectives based on conversations with a wide range of wikipedians.  To that extent, this is not a scientific summary - but more of anecdotal evidence.

Some Indic language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimediaindia-l because too much is taken up by English language wikipedia and that it is aggressive in tone (and will say this is a fallout of the tone on en-wp.)  Conversely, some English language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimedia-l because too much of it is taken up by Indic language discussions (which are not relevant to them, and are about really tiny projects.)  There are a few wikimedians who are active in their local language projects as well as English and they subscribe to both wikimediaindia-l and their local language list.

In my view, communities tend to build around projects and to that extent, local language mailing lists are of great importance.  I agree with Ashwin and TInu that English should also be regarded as a language project - and therefore I suggest that there is an exclusive mailing list for English as well (though I don't have a point of view on what it should be called.)  also, WT:IT is a relatively quiet page and WP:IND is (relatively) more active - but still doesn't cover the breadth of discussions that happen on mailing lists.

I continue to see the relevance of wikimediaindia-l as a forum for sharing and gaining thoughts, experiences, etc. - related to Indic language projects.  The one way that these communities and projects will expand will be if there is cross-pollination of ideas.

I hear Pradeep and Pranav's points on too many mailing lists - and I don't know how one can effectively answer that question.  Maybe if we are more disciplined on what goes on what list, it will make it easier for readers to manage the volumes?  

hisham

On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:18 AM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote:

> My first preference goes for something on the lines of  "wikimedia-in-eng" , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. 
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> "wikiproject-india-en"  was in case there is much "opposition" to "oh , we  already have a English Wikipedia list  " :) 
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> Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D
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> -Tinu Cherian
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own.
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> Warm regards,
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> Ashwin Baindur
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <psubhashish at gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO  "wikiproject-india-en" speaks for itself and would be good.
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> regards
> Subha
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> On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham <tinucherian at gmail.com> wrote:
> While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination & collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list "wikien-l" is too boarder scope of discussing them.
>    I am aware that we have "too many lists", but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. 
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> In this context, I would propose the creation of a "wikimedia-in-eng" or "wikiproject-india-en" mailing list.
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> Regards
> Tinu Cherian
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist.
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> Warm regards,
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> Ashwin Baindur
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for.
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> +1. 
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> warm regards,
> Pradeep
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> User:Prad2609
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> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530
> From: parakara.ghoda at gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
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> I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one.
> --Re,
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:IN for these? :)
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> Swaroop Rao
> (MikeLynch)
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. 
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> Shiju
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is that what you mean, Srikanth?
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content
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> I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today.
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> Warm regards,
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> Ashwin Baindur
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ashwin,
> I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.
> Re,
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
> I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA.
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> Ashwin Baindur
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