<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div apple-content-edited="true">I'd like to share my perspectives based on conversations with a wide range of wikipedians. To that extent, this is not a scientific summary - but more of anecdotal evidence.<div><br></div><div>Some Indic language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimediaindia-l because too much is taken up by English language wikipedia and that it is aggressive in tone (and will say this is a fallout of the tone on en-wp.) Conversely, some English language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimedia-l because too much of it is taken up by Indic language discussions (which are not relevant to them, and are about really tiny projects.) There are a few wikimedians who are active in their local language projects as well as English and they subscribe to both wikimediaindia-l and their local language list.</div><div><br></div><div>In my view, communities tend to build around projects and to that extent, local language mailing lists are of great importance. I agree with Ashwin and TInu that English should also be regarded as a language project - and therefore I suggest that there is an exclusive mailing list for English as well (though I don't have a point of view on what it should be called.) also, WT:IT is a relatively quiet page and WP:IND is (relatively) more active - but still doesn't cover the breadth of discussions that happen on mailing lists.</div><div><br></div><div>I continue to see the relevance of wikimediaindia-l as a forum for sharing and gaining thoughts, experiences, etc. - related to Indic language projects. The one way that these communities and projects will expand will be if there is cross-pollination of ideas.</div><div><br></div><div>I hear Pradeep and Pranav's points on too many mailing lists - and I don't know how one can effectively answer that question. Maybe if we are more disciplined on what goes on what list, it will make it easier for readers to manage the volumes? </div><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; ">hisham</span></span>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:18 AM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">My first preference goes for something on the lines of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"> "wikimedia-in-eng" , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. </font></span><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">"wikiproject-india-en" was in case there is much "opposition" to "oh , we </font></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">already</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> have a </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">English</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> Wikipedia list " :) </span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">-Tinu Cherian<br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ashwin.baindur@gmail.com">ashwin.baindur@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own.<div class="im">
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<br clear="all">Warm regards,<br><br>Ashwin Baindur<br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psubhashish@gmail.com" target="_blank">psubhashish@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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IMO <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> "wikiproject-india-en" speaks for itself and would be good.</span><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">regards</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Subha<br></font><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tinucherian@gmail.com" target="_blank">tinucherian@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination & collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list "wikien-l" is too boarder scope of discussing them.<div>
I am aware that we have "too many lists", but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. </div>
<div><br></div><div>In this context, I would propose the creation of a "wikimedia-in-eng" or "wikiproject-india-en" mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Tinu Cherian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ashwin.baindur@gmail.com" target="_blank">ashwin.baindur@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist.<div><br><br clear="all">Warm regards,<br><br>
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parakara.ghoda@gmail.com" target="_blank">parakara.ghoda@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pradeep.mohandas@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pradeep.mohandas@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for.<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>+1. </div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><br>warm regards,<br>
Pradeep<br><br>User:Prad2609<br>
<br><div><hr>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530<br>From: <a href="mailto:parakara.ghoda@gmail.com" target="_blank">parakara.ghoda@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA<div><div><br><br><div>I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one.<br>
</div><div>--Re,</div><br><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raul.swaroop@gmail.com" target="_blank">raul.swaroop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aIN" target="_blank">WT:IN</a> for these? :)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br><br clear="all">Swaroop Rao<br>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch" target="_blank">MikeLynch</a>)</font></span><div><div><br>
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<br><br><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shijualexonline@gmail.com" target="_blank">shijualexonline@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. <br><span><font color="#888888"><br>
Shiju</font></span><div><div><br><br><br><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ashwin.baindur@gmail.com" target="_blank">ashwin.baindur@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is that what you mean, Srikanth?<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3aWikiProject_India/Recognized_content" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content</a><br>
<br>I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today.<div><br>
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<br><br></div><div><div><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parakara.ghoda@gmail.com" target="_blank">parakara.ghoda@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Ashwin,<br></div><div>I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.</div><div>Re,</div><br><div><div><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ashwin.baindur@gmail.com" target="_blank">ashwin.baindur@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA.<br>
<br clear="all">Warm regards,<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>Ashwin Baindur<br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
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