[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: Indian Minister Kapil Sibal wants to censor social media

Wed Dec 7 16:12:26 UTC 2011

Exactly my point. I suspect that the addition of a line referring to the
current controversy, where the hashtag #IdiotKapilSibal has been trending,
and to quote some of the numbers over time during this crisis, would not be
out of place.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
<tinucherian at gmail.com>wrote:

> Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464355055&oldid=464353638
>
>
> Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and
> criticism"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464367647&oldid=464366606
>
>
> Hope I clarified the difference.
>
> Regards
> Tinu Cherian
>
> P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" , if
> you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from "Reliable
> Sources" :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna at radiophony.com>wrote:
>
>> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I haven't done
>> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current
>> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that presenting
>> every side of the picture is important.
>>
>> Is reporting the fact that major websites like Kafila.org and literally
>> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag
>> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case?
>>
>>  On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
>> tinucherian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* :
>>>
>>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet"
>>>
>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-cant-censor-the-internet/articleshow/11018330.cms
>>>
>>>
>>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact potential
>>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly to
>>> self-regulation. *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have
>>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and
>>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring entries
>>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!). *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct
>>> it.* "
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tinu Cherian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>> parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will
>>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik.lak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal Prabhala <aprabhala at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> fyi
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> >> Subject:        Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants
>>>> to
>>>> >> Censor
>>>> >> social
>>>> >> Date:   Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530
>>>> >> From:   Achal Prabhala <aprabhala at gmail.com>
>>>> >> To:     Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <
>>>> >> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed to
>>>> be of
>>>> > the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal is
>>>> > proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and
>>>> connecting the
>>>> > two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for his
>>>> > support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of every
>>>> byte
>>>> > of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking up 2
>>>> > different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be
>>>> discussed with
>>>> > its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes means
>>>> much
>>>> > more than images.
>>>> >
>>>> > If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think
>>>> Wikimedia
>>>> > projects are better equipped *technically* than other social media
>>>> sites
>>>> > cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if that
>>>> goes
>>>> > to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter / FlaggedRevisions
>>>> and
>>>> > some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to go.
>>>> > Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is so
>>>> much work
>>>> > to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian community
>>>> if
>>>> > such a thing happens.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are many questions that the communities need to decide as to
>>>> submit
>>>> > to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the situation
>>>> does
>>>> > not arise for us to take those tough calls.
>>>> >
>>>> > PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it has
>>>> high
>>>> > SNR IMO.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Srikanth.L
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>>
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